Stupid things non petrolheads say....
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DannyScene said:
aka_kerrly said:
haha at least people have noticed it.
I do like an Alpina, doubt you'd want to try to explain to any of those people that although it resembles a BMW Alpina are a manufacture in their own right.
Not having a go or being funny so please don't take it as such but are alpina a manufacturer? really?I do like an Alpina, doubt you'd want to try to explain to any of those people that although it resembles a BMW Alpina are a manufacture in their own right.
To my untrained eye it looks like they take a BMW put some blingy wheels and bumpers on it and charge a premium for it, I don't see how that is different to kahn for example except only dealing in BMW's
They work from the chassis upwards (straight from the BMW production line), rather than getting a complete vehicle and changing bits.
DannyScene said:
Not having a go or being funny so please don't take it as such but are alpina a manufacturer? really?
Is this not also the case with RUF?I believe in Germany having manufacturer status is quite important because of the way their TUV works etc... modifying a car over there is not a simple affair.
Alpina and BMW have a long relationship.
Also I agree with the fuel tank thing, why do people ask how much it costs to fill? If they followed it up with "and how far does that go?" then it makes sense, but they don't!
jayemm89 said:
Is this not also the case with RUF?
I believe in Germany having manufacturer status is quite important because of the way their TUV works etc... modifying a car over there is not a simple affair.
Alpina and BMW have a long relationship.
Also I agree with the fuel tank thing, why do people ask how much it costs to fill? If they followed it up with "and how far does that go?" then it makes sense, but they don't!
I believe in Germany having manufacturer status is quite important because of the way their TUV works etc... modifying a car over there is not a simple affair.
Alpina and BMW have a long relationship.
Also I agree with the fuel tank thing, why do people ask how much it costs to fill? If they followed it up with "and how far does that go?" then it makes sense, but they don't!
It can cost thousands to get aftermarket modifications approved. One of the guys on the Mustang forum took his Roush (official Roush car) Mustang to Germany (exported rather than short term) and I think it cost him 3-4000euros to register it because of the process he had to go through. Had it been a Shelby or a regular GT or V6 it would have been a simple and (in comparison) cheap process. This is because Roush cars are a modified GT (GT's are delivered to the Roush factory and then 'Roushed' for want of a better word. Whereas the Shelby cars are made on the same production line in the Ford Factory so are seen as a standard build car. Only The first few or special versions (like the KR) are done in the Shelby facility.
The German stance on modified car parts is quite strict unfortunately.
Devils advocate, but to a certain extent shirley the 'how much to fill up' questioners are correct, albeit possibly by accident.
In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
thismonkeyhere said:
Devils advocate, but to a certain extent shirley the 'how much to fill up' questioners are correct, albeit possibly by accident.
In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
who's Shirley?In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
Roundozo said:
thismonkeyhere said:
Devils advocate, but to a certain extent shirley the 'how much to fill up' questioners are correct, albeit possibly by accident.
In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
who's Shirley?In most cases bigger cars have bigger tanks because they need them because they use more fuel. This won't cover every example, but I would have thought mostly correct. Hence the relationship: 'high cost to full up = expensive to run' is true...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/
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DannyScene said:
aka_kerrly said:
haha at least people have noticed it.
I do like an Alpina, doubt you'd want to try to explain to any of those people that although it resembles a BMW Alpina are a manufacture in their own right.
Not having a go or being funny so please don't take it as such but are alpina a manufacturer? really?I do like an Alpina, doubt you'd want to try to explain to any of those people that although it resembles a BMW Alpina are a manufacture in their own right.
Your view of them as a BMW with "some bling wheels & bumpers with a tuned engine " is in fairness closer to accurate than most people would be so certainly not worthy of being included in this thread :-)
Enjoy reading up on them, some of their creations over the years really are quite underrated!!
I'm sure this has been posted before, but some non-petrolheads are convinced that the average car is quick, or quicker than the figures say it is.
They may just like talking BS, but I think it's that cars are subjective, based on your experience and perspective.
Their new 1.6 feels fast, probably because they had a 1.0 before. Or their new 2.0 TDI feels 'crazy', because they had a 1.6 before.
If you want to feel that the car you own is faster and quieter, just drive a slower, noisier car for a few days.
They may just like talking BS, but I think it's that cars are subjective, based on your experience and perspective.
Their new 1.6 feels fast, probably because they had a 1.0 before. Or their new 2.0 TDI feels 'crazy', because they had a 1.6 before.
If you want to feel that the car you own is faster and quieter, just drive a slower, noisier car for a few days.
My slowest car (0-60 9 seconds) feels quicker off the line as it is a torquey motor, it feels almost like a diesel in power delivery (without the narrow power band), what probably makes it slow is the 4 speed auto box.
The other two need a firm press of the accelerator and to be revved more, so they feel slower unless driven harder.
Suspect not many non petrolheads have ever seen 4k revs, never mind 7k
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The other two need a firm press of the accelerator and to be revved more, so they feel slower unless driven harder.
Suspect not many non petrolheads have ever seen 4k revs, never mind 7k
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Dodsy said:
Pebbles167 said:
I know, very hard to explain. Although I find it pretty easy to keep calm and not sound like a know it all!
The fuel tank thing I find equally baffling. I think many consider them to be a box shaped thing that manufacturers all provide identical versions of with the same capacity.
I told the guys at work that I was getting exactly the same range out of a full tank from my Daewoo 1.4 as I was from my Jag XJR. They couldnt comprehend that the Jag has a fuel tank twice as big as the Daewoo, it just didnt compute for them. General astonishment all round that both cars could go the same distance on one tank despite the Jag being a 400BHP monster. The fuel tank thing I find equally baffling. I think many consider them to be a box shaped thing that manufacturers all provide identical versions of with the same capacity.
JagXJR said:
Suspect not many non petrolheads have ever seen 4k revs, never mind 7k
My mother thinks that going over 3000rpm or any amount of revs where an engine starts to make a bit of noise is "silly revving"It is largely a case of a lot of people just haven't experienced a truly fast car and rely more on their bum dyno than actually looking at the speedo.
Otherwise they would realise that a TDI that can just about hit 70mph at the end of a typical 400 yard slip road with a rolling start is not in the same league as a car that can hit 70mph in 2nd gear in under 6 seconds from standstill or taking it further a car that can hit 150+mph in around the same time down a 1/4 mile strip.
HarryFlatters said:
My Dad is like that...
Dad: That was 5k revs there son...
Me: It goes up to 7k.
Him: Won't it break?
Me: No.
It might do but the chances are it would break at any revs if its going to.Dad: That was 5k revs there son...
Me: It goes up to 7k.
Him: Won't it break?
Me: No.
Do the latest DPF diesel cars not reinforce the message that you have to drive a car hard sometimes just to clear it out and keep it running smoothly? That revving a car is actually good for it (in moderation)?
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Edited by JagXJR on Wednesday 14th January 13:55
AlexHat said:
Probably not, it could be that with the popularity of diesels, which typically don't rev much above 4.5k anyway the general public don't see the point of going above 3-3.5k
My Bro in law certainly has, he will sit there in 3rd or 4th bombing along at 65/70 on motorways, then after a min or two changes up! I'm in top gear at the end of the road at 50. Have seen 9,000 rpm thothismonkeyhere said:
Hooli said:
Most petrol cars I've owned do about 400miles to a tank. Is that a norm or just coincidence?
Interestingly enough, both my diesel cars do around 400 to a tank.However, one costs around £50 to fill, the other £95 (at current prices)/
JagXJR said:
HarryFlatters said:
My Dad is like that...
Dad: That was 5k revs there son...
Me: It goes up to 7k.
Him: Won't it break?
Me: No.
It might do but the chances are it would break at any revs if its going to.Dad: That was 5k revs there son...
Me: It goes up to 7k.
Him: Won't it break?
Me: No.
The reason engines have rev limiters is to prevent them exceeding their design limits.
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