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Jimboka said:
Where in the UK was this?. I've never owned winter tyres & not slipped and slipped down my road in 30+ years motoring. Must be a lot of idiot drivers there if it's true..
Somewhere on a hill with ice and an ungritted road I expect - that could be quite a few places in Autumn/winter, all the way down to the Chilterns.Do you live in Norfolk or Cornwall?
jshell said:
ImpossiblyDaft said:
I'm looking for some studless Nordic tyres for a trip up there. So Nokian Hakkapeliitta or something along those lines.
mytyres often do them. Reifen too. Hakka's are good tyres and if you want Nordics, just get them and ignore the +7degC doom-mongers on here.FiF said:
jshell said:
ImpossiblyDaft said:
I'm looking for some studless Nordic tyres for a trip up there. So Nokian Hakkapeliitta or something along those lines.
mytyres often do them. Reifen too. Hakka's are good tyres and if you want Nordics, just get them and ignore the +7degC doom-mongers on here.towelie said:
I'm experiencing the same thing with my 3 year old vredestein snowtrac 3's.. loads of tread on them and they're like driving on ice.
Pulling out of junctions briskly and the rears spin up so quickly I'm on opposite lock when not even trying!
That's quite interesting. I've been running the Hankooks (I*Cept Evo) last couple of months (as I did previously last year).Pulling out of junctions briskly and the rears spin up so quickly I'm on opposite lock when not even trying!
When it's damp and around 8-9 degrees I've found them surprisingly skittish. A roundabout which is never normally an issue has the car feeling rather tail happy with it sliding about (did not expect that on my morning commute). There were also a couple of occasions where it struggled with traction from a standing start. Certainly wasn't driving hard or pushing the car.
However today when it was 2.5 degrees it felt absolutely great, no slide and t/c intervention. I suppose some winter tyres are more affected by the warmer temps than others.
Fitted my winter tyres last night.
Car - 645ci
2 x 265/35/19 Falken 439 on the rear
2 x 245/40/19 Pirello Sottozero on the front
My thoughts vastly different from the Kummho KW39`s I fitted to my old car last year they were more snow oriented IMO. In terms of grip and fell they seem not that different from the bridgestone (runflats) that came off other being more comfortable.
Stiff and old bridgestone runflats are awful though to be fair.
Car - 645ci
2 x 265/35/19 Falken 439 on the rear
2 x 245/40/19 Pirello Sottozero on the front
My thoughts vastly different from the Kummho KW39`s I fitted to my old car last year they were more snow oriented IMO. In terms of grip and fell they seem not that different from the bridgestone (runflats) that came off other being more comfortable.
Stiff and old bridgestone runflats are awful though to be fair.
g3org3y said:
towelie said:
I'm experiencing the same thing with my 3 year old vredestein snowtrac 3's.. loads of tread on them and they're like driving on ice.
Pulling out of junctions briskly and the rears spin up so quickly I'm on opposite lock when not even trying!
That's quite interesting. I've been running the Hankooks (I*Cept Evo) last couple of months (as I did previously last year).Pulling out of junctions briskly and the rears spin up so quickly I'm on opposite lock when not even trying!
When it's damp and around 8-9 degrees I've found them surprisingly skittish. A roundabout which is never normally an issue has the car feeling rather tail happy with it sliding about (did not expect that on my morning commute). There were also a couple of occasions where it struggled with traction from a standing start. Certainly wasn't driving hard or pushing the car.
However today when it was 2.5 degrees it felt absolutely great, no slide and t/c intervention. I suppose some winter tyres are more affected by the warmer temps than others.
George111 said:
It's too warm to be putting these tyres on, unless you're willing to accept a significant loss of grip. A good summer tyre will easily outperform a winter tyre in these conditions. When it's 0 degrees and frosty you'll be happier with their performance I'll wager.
That's when I plan to sell mine. I've errored and hope not to lose too much money.Anyone needs some 225/45 17" 94W Yokos going cheap with almost no wear in about three weeks, then SHOUT!
FiF said:
jshell said:
ImpossiblyDaft said:
I'm looking for some studless Nordic tyres for a trip up there. So Nokian Hakkapeliitta or something along those lines.
mytyres often do them. Reifen too. Hakka's are good tyres and if you want Nordics, just get them and ignore the +7degC doom-mongers on here.Our Vectra is on 15" part worn Fulda Kristall
The Zafira is on Pirelli SnowSport Winter, also S/H.
Both sets have been really good.
We've had bog-standard Bridgestone winters (from new) too in the past, they were excellent.
The Fulda set cost €45
The nearly-new Pirellis €160 (both sets came with GM steel wheels).
You've got to love german eBay.
The Zafira is on Pirelli SnowSport Winter, also S/H.
Both sets have been really good.
We've had bog-standard Bridgestone winters (from new) too in the past, they were excellent.
The Fulda set cost €45
The nearly-new Pirellis €160 (both sets came with GM steel wheels).
You've got to love german eBay.
The wife just called in a slight flap - our 335d just did a major fishtail with no provocation at all. She knows the car VERY well and that would never happen on the CSC2s.
If I'd known about this warmer weather behaviour that's borderline dangerous, I wouldn't have bothered. Of course I found out too late.
I'd get them on a 4x4 but on a powerful RWD car, no way.
Expensive mistake learned.
If I'd known about this warmer weather behaviour that's borderline dangerous, I wouldn't have bothered. Of course I found out too late.
I'd get them on a 4x4 but on a powerful RWD car, no way.
Expensive mistake learned.
Vladimir said:
The wife just called in a slight flap - our 335d just did a major fishtail with no provocation at all. She knows the car VERY well and that would never happen on the CSC2s.
If I'd known about this warmer weather behaviour that's borderline dangerous, I wouldn't have bothered. Of course I found out too late.
I'd get them on a 4x4 but on a powerful RWD car, no way.
Expensive mistake learned.
They aren't borderline dangerous, just different. Did you put quality tyres on in the same or very close size to summer tyres ? On a powerful rear drive car you'll be needing good quality 4 season tyres like the Continental 830/850 with good dry/warm performance just as you would in the summer fit good summer tyres like Continental or Michelin.If I'd known about this warmer weather behaviour that's borderline dangerous, I wouldn't have bothered. Of course I found out too late.
I'd get them on a 4x4 but on a powerful RWD car, no way.
Expensive mistake learned.
Being rwd and powerful will mean you should feel more benefit from them than other people when the temperature drops. But BMW has very good traction control and this often masks the inadequacies of summer tyres in winter so it might need to get very cold before you notice a difference.
George111 said:
They aren't borderline dangerous, just different. Did you put quality tyres on in the same or very close size to summer tyres ? On a powerful rear drive car you'll be needing good quality 4 season tyres like the Continental 830/850 with good dry/warm performance just as you would in the summer fit good summer tyres like Continental or Michelin.
Being rwd and powerful will mean you should feel more benefit from them than other people when the temperature drops. But BMW has very good traction control and this often masks the inadequacies of summer tyres in winter so it might need to get very cold before you notice a difference.
They are Yokohama W Drive 902As - good reviews, not the most expensive but well into "premium" price territory.Being rwd and powerful will mean you should feel more benefit from them than other people when the temperature drops. But BMW has very good traction control and this often masks the inadequacies of summer tyres in winter so it might need to get very cold before you notice a difference.
It would be good to try them in properly cold conditions but I wasn't expecting such bad performance in warmer climes.
otolith said:
That's a bit pants then. I assume that the pressures are correct and that they've got a few miles on them now?
I will double check but they were inflated to the correct pressures given by BMW (I watched them inflate them!). Probably done 200+ miles on them.A bit of a shame really as I thought I was doing the right thing!
T16OLE said:
Fitted my winter tyres last night.
Car - 645ci
2 x 265/35/19 Falken 439 on the rear
2 x 245/40/19 Pirello Sottozero on the front
My thoughts vastly different from the Kummho KW39`s I fitted to my old car last year they were more snow oriented IMO. In terms of grip and fell they seem not that different from the bridgestone (runflats) that came off other being more comfortable.
Stiff and old bridgestone runflats are awful though to be fair.
To add to the above, IMO so far this winter there has been abolsoltely no need for winter tyres. Though there is probably plenty of winter weather ahead of us yetCar - 645ci
2 x 265/35/19 Falken 439 on the rear
2 x 245/40/19 Pirello Sottozero on the front
My thoughts vastly different from the Kummho KW39`s I fitted to my old car last year they were more snow oriented IMO. In terms of grip and fell they seem not that different from the bridgestone (runflats) that came off other being more comfortable.
Stiff and old bridgestone runflats are awful though to be fair.
Vladimir said:
George111 said:
They aren't borderline dangerous, just different. Did you put quality tyres on in the same or very close size to summer tyres ? On a powerful rear drive car you'll be needing good quality 4 season tyres like the Continental 830/850 with good dry/warm performance just as you would in the summer fit good summer tyres like Continental or Michelin.
Being rwd and powerful will mean you should feel more benefit from them than other people when the temperature drops. But BMW has very good traction control and this often masks the inadequacies of summer tyres in winter so it might need to get very cold before you notice a difference.
They are Yokohama W Drive 902As - good reviews, not the most expensive but well into "premium" price territory.Being rwd and powerful will mean you should feel more benefit from them than other people when the temperature drops. But BMW has very good traction control and this often masks the inadequacies of summer tyres in winter so it might need to get very cold before you notice a difference.
It would be good to try them in properly cold conditions but I wasn't expecting such bad performance in warmer climes.
T16OLE said:
To add to the above, IMO so far this winter there has been abolsoltely no need for winter tyres. Though there is probably plenty of winter weather ahead of us yet
Depends where in the country you are. Also I prefer to fit them a bit early when it's still warm enough to feel your hands while doing it. 
tenohfive said:
The thing I'm taking away from that (as I own a relatively powerful BMW estate) is to avoid those Yoko's in warm weather, not to avoid winter tyres.
I've run my winters in 20C heat without them being dangerously low on grip; seems like those Yoko's aren't that good to me.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff