Re: New TVR 'On Sale In 2012' Says Smolenski
Discussion
PaulMoor said:
Liquid Knight said:
lambysdad said:
Buying a German made TVR......I think not 
Whatever next a BMW Mini? What a brilliant excuse to buy a Noble.
I love that he thinks the rest of Europe don't see boarders. Can someone ask him what people would think of a Ferrari built in Spain, or a Porsche build in Scotland?
FTFY
If the only options ha can think of for UK build are Lotus & Caterham, then he is not very committed. Dont know about Caterham, but Lotus dont stitch other peoples engines into other peoples chassis, so not even a consideration (although they could manage TVR build quality)
Lotus would be quite good at promoting a rendering & pipe dream
Lotus would be quite good at promoting a rendering & pipe dream
tallmat said:
The guy sounds a right ar$e. What set TVR apart in it's latter years was that it was
using it's own engines and the cars weren't just another hand crafted body around a mass produced engine.
I know, I know, the engines had their issues and making small volume powerplants is expensive. And that TVR used Ford and Rover engines..
But looking at the above, it's just yet another low volume sports car using a Yank V8. He'll need to find a completely new customer base. Should go down well on the rough roads in Moscow.
Wasn't it the engines which effectively killed TVR? - having had a reputation for being pretty robust (by low volume, hand made standards), they then gained the reputation for blowing up if you looked at them.using it's own engines and the cars weren't just another hand crafted body around a mass produced engine.
I know, I know, the engines had their issues and making small volume powerplants is expensive. And that TVR used Ford and Rover engines..
But looking at the above, it's just yet another low volume sports car using a Yank V8. He'll need to find a completely new customer base. Should go down well on the rough roads in Moscow.
2 Wycked said:
Smolenski said:
And I would like to draw a line under the Wheeler era once and for all!
Isn't that the chap that made TVR so popular in the first place? Wasn't it during the Wheeler era that the cars were better looking, faster and had some of the most fantastic interiors I've ever seen?Is Smolenski suggesting that he ultimately wants to start building wedges again?
Smolenski - these are for you \/
Until someone British buys the company back and starts building again in Britain I won't return to the "brand".
In fact I'm rather looking forward to Lee Noble's next creation.
http://www.fenixautomotive.com
Until someone British buys the company back and starts building again in Britain I won't return to the "brand".
In fact I'm rather looking forward to Lee Noble's next creation.
http://www.fenixautomotive.com
nelly1 said:
King Fisher said:
Brand. These corporate idiots just don't get it, do they?
They put the TVR logo on it, and they think it's a TVR; well it's not.
TVRs were TVRs because they were made in Blackpool. They were TVRs because they were hairy-a***d, quirky, hand-made sports cars which sounded incredible and went like stink.
You cannot move production to Germany, change virtually everything about the car and still expect it to be a TVR. That brand is now effectively dead as things stand.
The clincher is his statement that, "it isn't very important whether you're based in Lancashire or Saxony".
Oh yes it is mate! Somewhere else in the UK might just be OK, but TVRs are British made, that's partly why we're so f*****g proud of them.
So Mr Smolenski, here's a bit of advice should you happen to ever look at this site.
Sell your entire holding to someone who actually understands what TVR is about and cares for the heritage it represents - Lawrence Tomlinson or someone of that ilk if you can find someone interested. Cut your losses. Get out, because you're out of your depth. Give someone who actually has an inkling of what TVR means a chance to resurrect the real brand, not this poxy imitation.
Because I'll tell him now; the number of current TVR owners who will buy his German imitations will be tiny. And without them, the venture is doomed.
Well said They put the TVR logo on it, and they think it's a TVR; well it's not.
TVRs were TVRs because they were made in Blackpool. They were TVRs because they were hairy-a***d, quirky, hand-made sports cars which sounded incredible and went like stink.
You cannot move production to Germany, change virtually everything about the car and still expect it to be a TVR. That brand is now effectively dead as things stand.
The clincher is his statement that, "it isn't very important whether you're based in Lancashire or Saxony".
Oh yes it is mate! Somewhere else in the UK might just be OK, but TVRs are British made, that's partly why we're so f*****g proud of them.
So Mr Smolenski, here's a bit of advice should you happen to ever look at this site.
Sell your entire holding to someone who actually understands what TVR is about and cares for the heritage it represents - Lawrence Tomlinson or someone of that ilk if you can find someone interested. Cut your losses. Get out, because you're out of your depth. Give someone who actually has an inkling of what TVR means a chance to resurrect the real brand, not this poxy imitation.
Because I'll tell him now; the number of current TVR owners who will buy his German imitations will be tiny. And without them, the venture is doomed.
Fire99 said:
IMO, TVR is a complicated brand and in a select group of companies that evoke great passion and emotion.
In some ways TVR is to Britain (notably the north of England) as Ferrari is to Italy. Yes there are market forces and yes you cannot deny TVR was in a dicey situation in the early 2000's with the SP6 reputation and customer confidence but how many other low-volume car companies would bring part of London to a near standstill in a protest/support of the factory.
TVR really should have 'Handle with Care' stamped under the title but I think it depends where your viewpoint is. If you believe in Soul and Passion and Heritage in cars then you'll be outraged.
If you just want a fast pretty car that is built wherever by whoever then you'll probably rather like the idea.
Personally, I think TVR does stand, in some way, for a bit of British grit (which we seem to be lacking) and battling against adversity and for that reason I think it should be built in Britain and it's core values retained.
Exactly right In some ways TVR is to Britain (notably the north of England) as Ferrari is to Italy. Yes there are market forces and yes you cannot deny TVR was in a dicey situation in the early 2000's with the SP6 reputation and customer confidence but how many other low-volume car companies would bring part of London to a near standstill in a protest/support of the factory.
TVR really should have 'Handle with Care' stamped under the title but I think it depends where your viewpoint is. If you believe in Soul and Passion and Heritage in cars then you'll be outraged.
If you just want a fast pretty car that is built wherever by whoever then you'll probably rather like the idea.
Personally, I think TVR does stand, in some way, for a bit of British grit (which we seem to be lacking) and battling against adversity and for that reason I think it should be built in Britain and it's core values retained.
A TVR built anywhere else, will never be a TVR. It will just be another car with a TVR Badge on the front.
Its all been done before, Remember AC cars! The that's not a real AC its a copy, then you got AC Auto Craft, etc.... Triumph motorcycles, they no longer exist either. Yes there is a motorcycle company called Triumph but it has nothing to do with the old brand even the logo is different;) They may be producing retro looking bikes but the similarity ends there! So some bloke wants to put a corvette engine in a car, fine by me but its not a TVR, that chapters closed.
barefoot said:
It will most prob use GM's traction control and other electronics associated with the Corvette as well.
More's the pity! I agree that 630bhp in a tuscan shell sounds very tvr-fantastic, start adding borrowed electronic s
t and that's just diluting the raw essence of what the car should be.I for one have absolutely no desire for ABS or traction control, and anyone buying a TVR should be experienced enough a driver to be confident without them in place.
To all web sites forums magazines et al stop publishing this bullst.
Since the Smolenski era commenced nothing has ever been printed that has ended up happening at all.
Pure and utter crap!
Just ignore it until there is a physical car in the showroom and there are at least three press cars.
As for the name TVR give it back to someone British who gives a st.
Any car that is to be called MD1, 2 or 3 needs only to be called that. It would sell far more not having the TVR name associated with it as the company owner is not trusted, not liked by the TVR owners.
Nikolai please stop the torrent of bullst press releases. Until we see the car then quiet please.
t.Since the Smolenski era commenced nothing has ever been printed that has ended up happening at all.
Pure and utter crap!
Just ignore it until there is a physical car in the showroom and there are at least three press cars.
As for the name TVR give it back to someone British who gives a s
t.Any car that is to be called MD1, 2 or 3 needs only to be called that. It would sell far more not having the TVR name associated with it as the company owner is not trusted, not liked by the TVR owners.
Nikolai please stop the torrent of bulls
t press releases. Until we see the car then quiet please.fatboy18 said:
So some bloke wants to put a corvette engine in a car, fine by me but its not a TVR, that chapters closed.
Shock horror!So was a TVR with a Ford or Rover engine in it a TVR?
Or how about a Lotus with a nice Toyota engine?
If Smolenski produces the right car at the right price I don't think there will be too many complaints! But can he?
barefoot said:
It will most prob use GM's traction control and other electronics
barefoot said:
and staying true to the Lilley/Wheeler ideas
As far as I know thats not staying true to the TVR mantra. I agree that 600 BHP+ sounds interesting to say the least, but why then add all that extra weight when the original TVR idea was so against that.Are all the aids a good idea in principle : Sure
Are all the aids a good safety feature : Of course
Are all the aids TVR : NO !!!!!
Personally I kind of hope this goes ahead. Means there is the outside possibility that the prices of 'original' TVRs will increase as people would rather own a 'proper TVR' than this new stuff.
No way would I actually sell mine, but it would be nice to think that one of my possessions is actually increasing in value
A lot could happen in those 2 years.
I'm not sure what the hell will happen in the end. Will they make them? Is there enough money (or if there is, will they spend it) for production?
Car looks good - you see old Tuscan in the body lines.
Model names are stupid though. WTF is that about?! Too generic...
I'm not sure what the hell will happen in the end. Will they make them? Is there enough money (or if there is, will they spend it) for production?
Car looks good - you see old Tuscan in the body lines.
Model names are stupid though. WTF is that about?! Too generic...
Keep it simple stupid engineering was the TVR ethos wasn't it?
Who really wants a 640bhp Tuscan anyway?
Give me some sense of occasion any day. If that means buying an older T-car with a sixer, then so be it!
If I want a 600bhp+ car that is engineered well, but is a bit special as well, then an Ultima or a tweaked 911 Turbo or something along those lines would get my cash.
Hmmm
Who really wants a 640bhp Tuscan anyway?
Give me some sense of occasion any day. If that means buying an older T-car with a sixer, then so be it!
If I want a 600bhp+ car that is engineered well, but is a bit special as well, then an Ultima or a tweaked 911 Turbo or something along those lines would get my cash.
Hmmm
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