DVLA vs Liquid Knight
Discussion
GarryA said:
skodamanpat said:
It would be interesting to hear from anyone who as contacted the DVLA after the 4 week period from sending off the V5 as to their response.
I would guess at
A) we are extremely busy give it another 4 weeks (or until we send you a fine)
or
B) yes we have, we have posted it so you must have it ( and then send you a fine)
If you do not get the letter but ring them then they will check the records to see if the details have been ammended, if they have then ok, if not they know there is a problem and you have made them aware of it and you have discharged your responsibility.I would guess at
A) we are extremely busy give it another 4 weeks (or until we send you a fine)
or
B) yes we have, we have posted it so you must have it ( and then send you a fine)
BliarOut said:
You have fully discharged your responsibility by placing the V5 in a post box.
No-one's listening, despite the truth of what you say. Let them get on with being an easy target for these t
ts. I'm with the OP; it may only be £40 this time, but if the public roll over and say 'screw me', as many on here seem to, you're giving them carte blanche to extort money time after time.
What about when they put the fine up to £200, or £100 for early payment? Where do you draw the line?
AdeTuono said:
BliarOut said:
You have fully discharged your responsibility by placing the V5 in a post box.
No-one's listening, despite the truth of what you say. Let them get on with being an easy target for these tts. I'm with the OP; it may only be £40 this time, but if the public roll over and say 'screw me', as many on here seem to, you're giving them carte blanche to extort money time after time.
What about when they put the fine up to £200, or £100 for early payment? Where do you draw the line?
Liquid Knight said:
AdeTuono said:
BliarOut said:
You have fully discharged your responsibility by placing the V5 in a post box.
No-one's listening, despite the truth of what you say. Let them get on with being an easy target for these tts. I'm with the OP; it may only be £40 this time, but if the public roll over and say 'screw me', as many on here seem to, you're giving them carte blanche to extort money time after time.
What about when they put the fine up to £200, or £100 for early payment? Where do you draw the line?
Anyway
2 years ago I scrapped a car (stripped it myself for spares and sold off everything I could to recover it's value) - sent the reg doc to DVLA normal post and a week or so later the SORN reminder arrived. I assumed the docs had passed by each other in the system so ignored the reminder. The car shell was picked up by the local scrap place and I kept the recipt for collection as well as a copy of the reg doc just before I sent it by post which I'm glad I did.
2 months later I got a fine
I wrote to DVLA "polite letter" and explained situation - recieved a don't care pay up from a person in an office somewhere in the UK - wrote an "I'm not paying who do I appeal to letter" and addressed it to the person who wrote to me - 2 weeks letter get a reply from different person in different office somewhere else in the country saying pay up or we'll take to to court
My reply was simple - Please do - I complied with the requirements of the law, I submitted my reg doc, correctly filled in with details of scrapping to the car of the Post Office for delivery to DVLA. I have copies of Reg Doc and Receipt from the scrap dealer that collectted the shell clearly showing dates of scrapping and have already supplied DVLA copies of those docs.
They didn't and I've heard nothing more.
I'm going to just check something out now BRB
Car in question is now shown as "Unlicensed" So I'm not sure how that works
- the car doesn't exist (the shell has beed fragged - the number plates are on my garage wall with the other dead ones)
But I've never received another SORN reminder for it following the exchange of letters
Maybe that's the answer to the PITA that SORN is
Options to break the cycle
- pay the £40 but do not reapply for sorn so as a result they can't send out reminders
- don't pay the fine (and assuming they give up) the car then is out of the SORN loop
- the car doesn't exist (the shell has beed fragged - the number plates are on my garage wall with the other dead ones)
But I've never received another SORN reminder for it following the exchange of letters
Maybe that's the answer to the PITA that SORN is
Options to break the cycle
- pay the £40 but do not reapply for sorn so as a result they can't send out reminders
- don't pay the fine (and assuming they give up) the car then is out of the SORN loop
judas said:
BliarOut said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
two or three fines for forgetting SORN's with no reminders
Also sent a scrap notification through and then got an £80 fine 9 months later.
They said they never received the scrap notification, paid up as I couldn't be bothered arguing.
Good luck in court, you will probably end up paying £80 plus costs!!!
You were wrong to. If you post it first class it's deemed served unless proved otherwise.Also sent a scrap notification through and then got an £80 fine 9 months later.
They said they never received the scrap notification, paid up as I couldn't be bothered arguing.
Good luck in court, you will probably end up paying £80 plus costs!!!
If the police send you an NIP for a speeding offence, provided it's sent by first class post, it's deemed 'served' under law (even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the Royal Mail lose millions of letters each year). For the same not to apply when declaring SORN/car scrapped/sold/kidnapped by aliens would be truly breath-taking hypocrisy. However, in reality, I expect it's one rule for them and another for us
They suggest on the NIP that you post recorded because a loss in the post isn't their fault...
Oh and good on you OP.
This thread has just reminded me that DVLA have, once again, failed to call me to ask why they haven't received the V5 for the car that I may, or may not have, sold last month.
(Translation for the hard of thinking - if I have to phone them to check why I haven't received a document from them which may have got lost in the post, why don't they have to phone me for the same reason ? [and yes, I know it's a ridiculous proposition - which is exactly why the Interpretation Act is so important] )
(Translation for the hard of thinking - if I have to phone them to check why I haven't received a document from them which may have got lost in the post, why don't they have to phone me for the same reason ? [and yes, I know it's a ridiculous proposition - which is exactly why the Interpretation Act is so important] )
Edited by marshalla on Monday 25th October 10:33
i sent off a form to the DVLA, notifying them of export of car, and asking for the tax back. about a month later, the tax refund comes back. all good. 2 months later, I recieve a 'you've not declared sorn' request. after much hassle (I had to ask for their copy of the form i'd sent in, on microfeish) they admitted that they'd forgotton to notice the 'this car has been exported' box ticked, and let me off, but it was really my fault as I hadn't checked I'd got the confirmation from them (from my perspective, the refund cheque was the confirmation, but there ya go).
GarryA said:
Cotty said:
GarryA said:
If you send a V5 to the DVLA they acknowledge it, if you don't get correspondence within 4 weeks then you ring them to let them know / check.
It's on the back of the V5.
Otherwise you get into st like this.
Answer the question "Please tell me what you would do if they sent the £80 fine for not paying the £40 fine?"It's on the back of the V5.
Otherwise you get into s
t like this. I am asking if you would pay the £80 fine on top of the £40 fine if they said they could not trace the £40 fine being paid even though you sent them a check.
Here's the real clincher. Either the DVLA take me to court and they haven't got a chance or they admit they are at fault and drop the fine completely.
In the later case this admission of fault is also an admission of guilt. The DVLA have been trying to obtain monies from me and if this turns out to be for no reason it's attempted theft. "The Theft Act 1969"
So who do I ask the Police to arrest, Mr. Phillip Hammond MP or the numpty who has been sending me threatening letters?
In the later case this admission of fault is also an admission of guilt. The DVLA have been trying to obtain monies from me and if this turns out to be for no reason it's attempted theft. "The Theft Act 1969"
So who do I ask the Police to arrest, Mr. Phillip Hammond MP or the numpty who has been sending me threatening letters?
Got another reply from the DVLA and it turns out they can't take me to Magistrates court because I have not broken any law. In the same letter they use four different "Acts" and the words......
"law", "laws", "legal", "legally", "evidence", "mittigation" and "defence" several times.
So if I haven't broken the law how can they use the law to carry any favour? Basically I have been imposed an administration fee for the DVLA failing to administer my paperwork correctly in the first place.
If it's an offence for collection companies to impose fines, penalty notices and such for parking on private property why are the DVLA allowed to impersonate a court by imposing a "penalty notice" for failing to declare a vehicle as SORN?
So as well as attempted theft the DVLA are also impersonating a court/Police officer. Hmmmmm
"law", "laws", "legal", "legally", "evidence", "mittigation" and "defence" several times.
So if I haven't broken the law how can they use the law to carry any favour? Basically I have been imposed an administration fee for the DVLA failing to administer my paperwork correctly in the first place.
If it's an offence for collection companies to impose fines, penalty notices and such for parking on private property why are the DVLA allowed to impersonate a court by imposing a "penalty notice" for failing to declare a vehicle as SORN?
So as well as attempted theft the DVLA are also impersonating a court/Police officer. Hmmmmm
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