RE: PH 370Z Breathes Fresh Northern Air

RE: PH 370Z Breathes Fresh Northern Air

Tuesday 26th October 2010

PH 370Z Breathes Fresh Northern Air

Prize-winning PHer Andy Nelson reports on his week with our 370Z loaner



After a week of waiting as fast as I could (writes PHer Andy Nelson), the day finally dawned when I entered the hallowed turf of PistonHeads HQ, the walk to the front door taking me past the car park, which included the PH Caterham, Seat Cupra R, Garlick's barge and 'my' Nissan 370Z.

370Z with Andy's daily driver...
370Z with Andy's daily driver...
They say first impressions count and I was impressed. My neighbour used to sell imported 350s so I had become familiar with these, but not the 'new' 370. There are some nice touches around the lights and it certainly looks the part although I was worried about the lack of headroom, being a mere 6'4".

I waited at the turnstiles while the security guard woke Garlick up. I think it was a little early for Paul and Pete, but we went back out to the car with a much-appreciated coffee in hand. After a quick tour of the toys available I established my driving position with the seat as low and as far back as possible with a fair bit of rake. This left 10mm of clearance between my head and the roof, which was fine on the motorway but on the twisty stuff meant I kept crashing into the roof.

After a chat and a quick tour of the palatial PH towers, it was off to face the 260 miles back to Darlington in time for a 2pm meeting.

...and his TVR fun car.
...and his TVR fun car.
When compared to my BMW and TVR, this car is quiet at low speeds, with the engine note just there in the background to remind you of what is on tap. That is a 3.7 V6 GT sending 331bhp through a 6-speed gearbox to the rear wheels. None of that front-wheel-drive rubbish here.

As I squeezed through the rush hour of Teddington I realised how wide this car is for a two-seater 'sports car', as the car and the cabin are wider than the 5-series. If it wasn't for the head room it would be a very pleasant place to do some GT-style touring, especially with all the toys and connectivity that this one had.

I expected to spend the next hour grinding round the M25 and playing with all the buttons, as we all know reading the manual is not an option. The gods, however, were smiling and the M25 was clear. Yep, it was 8.30am on a Monday morning and as I sailed round to the St Albans junction even the variable speed limits weren't on! (We arranged that as part of the prize, obviously... Ed.)

Never mind the quality, feel the width
Never mind the quality, feel the width
A quick blast to cut the corner off to the A1 also involved another much-needed coffee, and I happened to pull in next to a couple of older but comparable coupes - a Celica and a TT and this again reinforced how large this car is.

It was then off up the A1 via sunny Carlby (nr Stamford) to visit my father, who ignited the petrolhead in me at an early age. Another coffee and a quick spin later he declared it a hooligan's car and spent the rest of the week ringing me to check I had not stuck it into a ditch.

A couple of favourite back roads were taken in from Stamford to Carlby and then Carlby to the A1 via Clipsham, which gave me the first glimpse of what the car could do. It goes like a stabbed rat (Ugh, that's nasty! Ed), with huge amounts of power between 4500 and 6500rpm. This is a rev range that I am not used to using as the 5-series is a diesel (bloody chancellor) and the TVR hits the limit at 6000 and has a different power curve with more low down. The synchro matching function on the gearbox is brilliant especially on A/B roads when changing down. It takes a little getting used to around town but it stayed switched on all week.

There's a whole world beyond the M25!
There's a whole world beyond the M25!
All this power and associated engine note is great, like a faster-but-tamer version of the TVR, but it means at motorway cruising speed the pick up in 6th is poor, and you find yourself changing down to make progress when the OLM and MLM have got out of the way.

The other thing at cruising speed with lower revs is the cabin noise; this after a week started to get very wearing. I will stick my neck out and say it is as loud as the TVR in there without the engine note. When I got back into the 5-series after a week, even with the diesel intrusion and run-flats, there was a very quiet and welcomed hush when compared with the cabin roar in the 370. Maybe different tyres would sort this, but for a car that seems so well screwed together this was a real let down. Luckily the BOSE stereo was good enough to drown most of it out but holding a conversation at motorway speeds was difficult.

All this, and they get broadband too!
All this, and they get broadband too!
I arrived at work to all the usual jibes I am sure other 350/370 drivers are used to - plastic car, Datsun, Chav car (probably the colour), but it went un-noticed by many, whereas a Porsche etc wouldn't; this is good or bad depending on your point of view.

The 370 was used all week including a run to Leeds and a brilliant trip over Swale and Wensley Dale, when the 20-mile commute home became an 80-mile detour - see photos - in the evening sunshine. This car is most at home on these types of roads and, although extremely hard across the bumps, gives you loads of confidence and is very sure-footed, especially when a sheep runs out into the middle of the road.

On the Thursday I lost the race to the keys as Kerry wanted to take it to work with her and I had to take the TVR for its MOT (which it passed first time no advisories!).

Yes, you guessed - we're jealous!
Yes, you guessed - we're jealous!
There is no comparison between the two really with a 20 year gap and differing price levels when new. As a toy car the TVR wins for the noise, experience, thumbs up and the feeling of driving something special. The 370Z is quicker, stops considerably better (4 discs help for a start) and has more room.

Kerry's words upon bringing the car home were, 'it's OK but I'd rather have the TVR'! She liked the synchro gear changing and the power but then proclaimed it a girl's car. I think she may have been trying to wrangle it for the Friday - she failed.

Another trip to Leeds on Saturday saw some trunk road bashing, and the fourth tank of fuel in the week. On Sunday it was decided a trip over to the seaside was required to clear the cobwebs out, unfortunately too late for the Malton meet (sorry Mark). The run up Sutton bank then Pickering to Whitby was frustrating stuck behind the usual Sunday chaos on the road.

There were a few overtaking moments which brought a large smile and a yelp from the passenger seat every time. However another niggle became apparent, with the car so good from 4500-6500rpm you want to utilise this. In 2nd gear at horsebox speed the revs are approx 5000, leaving you with not a lot to go until the overtake, and a mid-overtake change. In 3rd the car is too sluggish and the lower rev range doesn't give the oomph needed. I think this is all relative as it is quick all the way up the rev range - it just 'feels' slow!

Whitby - site of many a Northern hoon
Whitby - site of many a Northern hoon
A quick photo call and an ice cream at the Abbey meant a leave-time of 6pm from Whitby. The run back to Thirsk was far more enjoyable going along the top moor road then down through the middle back to the bottom of the Moors. This is a cracking piece of road and it was empty - the 370 was brilliant and made swift progress through some beautiful scenery.

Monday morning came around and the 370 had to go back. Was I sad to see it go? Yes, it had been a great week and proved that you could live with a 2-seater. Would I have one instead of the 5-sereis? No, the road noise got to me and the top of my head would be permanently bruised, and the 22mpg could not be sustained at 35k miles per year. It would be great as a toy car but there are many options for £35k that I would put above it, including TVRs and Porsches.

Would I recommend anyone to buy one as a daily driver? hell yes, especially if you are only doing 10k miles per year. Or have shares in BP...

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722Adam

Original Poster:

2,152 posts

213 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Please tell me that is a tub of Bird's Custard on the dash hehe

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

229 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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722Adam said:
Please tell me that is a tub of Bird's Custard on the dash hehe
Nice spot claplaugh

goron59

397 posts

171 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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I've driven one of these with a crash hat on and I'm 6'2" - Didn't recall not having much headroom (except when exiting).

I'd agree with the sluggishness and weird gearing, but it is a nice motor. I think it just needs to be hardened a bit - bring it closer to the GT-R...

V envious of your locale though for driving - I'm stuck in London most of the time frown

nobby9000000

14 posts

169 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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gotta to be a can of custard! but surely that's a celica not an mr2??rolleyes

Nick_Johnson

336 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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nobby9000000 said:
gotta to be a can of custard! but surely that's a celica not an mr2??rolleyes
It is, thats a Celica T-Sport GT!!

Richiefly

92 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Salesman 'Any optional extras sir?'
Bloke 'Err, yes, I'll take one of those custard powder tin holders please'

A friend bought a new 350 and it suffered with the same intrusive road noise, so much so that he took it back in and asked them to check it over in case it was faulty bearings or something! They refused to acknowledge any problem (probably didnt' want to get in to a argument over wheels/tyres no doubt.

Henry Fiddleton

1,581 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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I know those roads well. Moved to London, and god do I miss the Yorks Dales/Moores.

Richiefly

92 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Nick_Johnson said:
nobby9000000 said:
gotta to be a can of custard! but surely that's a celica not an mr2??rolleyes
It is, thats a Celica T-Sport GT!!
No, it's an MR2 with one of those Celica bodykits on it.

You know how it is with MR2 owners, always trying to disguise them as something else.

They probably do a 370 kit for the MR2 too.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

230 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Great review, makes me want one even more now!

thumbup

Lostprophet

2,549 posts

169 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Beefmeister said:
Great review, makes me want one even more now!

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Great review.

Points out that the 370Z is not the cracking car it should be, and you still want one?

Try a TTS.

havoc

30,073 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Good write-up (except for the Celica! wink ). And full-marks for the custard! biggrin


Out of interest, how did you find rear-viz (rear-quarters especially) when driving it? I sat in one at Goodwood last year and was horrified by the virtual lack of any visibility between the B-pillar and the (narrow) rear-window.

Dunk76

4,350 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Richiefly said:
A friend bought a new 350 and it suffered with the same intrusive road noise, so much so that he took it back in and asked them to check it over in case it was faulty bearings or something! They refused to acknowledge any problem (probably didnt' want to get in to a argument over wheels/tyres no doubt.
The 200sx which (sort of) proceeded the 350/370 has the same constant instrusive noise - I asked Nelson Mandela, and he pointed out it was because the stuffing thing didn't have any sound deadening from the B-Pillar backwards.

After 3yrs and 150k miles I test drove the 350z as a replacement for the 200sx, and didn't notice any road noise - which would suggest maybe the same applies?


Mr Whippy

29,042 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Add 50kg to get rid of the road noise? Maybe...

It's these kind of "noisy" comments that mean we get bloated crappy cars. Stop whining winkbiggrin

I like a bit of road noise, diff whine, tyre roar, etc etc... it's called character biggrin


Good review though, nice work!

Dave

Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 26th October 14:19

ANS2vrs370

516 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Yep a tin of custard! Thanks for the positive comments.

Edited to remove a small mistake.

Edited by ANS2vrs370 on Tuesday 26th October 14:58

pb63

238 posts

163 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Yep I've got a 200sx and it is a tad loud in the back - especially when you're running 245 GTR wheels. Nissan do have a habit of skimping on sound proofing. So much so that some owners put loft insulation on the inside of the arches to help...

Good write up. As a modern GT goes i think these are great. Takes the 350z to the next level and fo me personally i'd take one over it's 4 ring rival.

ANS2vrs370

516 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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The visibility out of the rear is comical you really have no idea of what is in your blind spot and coming out of angled junctions requires an amount of guesswork/timing or the window open ( which is good for the forthcoming exhaust noise smile).

I hear you about the bloated cars because everyone whinges about the noise, but noiser than a 1988 TVR S? My point was for a stonking big 2 seater with ideas of being a GT car they have missed a trick.

MrGeoff

650 posts

172 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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havoc said:
Good write-up (except for the Celica! wink ). And full-marks for the custard! biggrin


Out of interest, how did you find rear-viz (rear-quarters especially) when driving it? I sat in one at Goodwood last year and was horrified by the virtual lack of any visibility between the B-pillar and the (narrow) rear-window.
The rear vision is quite bad out of the 370, there really is no defence to it but then again it's a great car despite some of the comments on this thread. I certainly wouldn't change it for a TT as some have suggested. Remain exclusive in a Nissan haha.

tonym911

16,525 posts

205 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Autocar has just finished with its long-term 370 and said the road noise was the worst part of the car, 'unacceptable' even.

Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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ANS2vrs370 said:
Yep a tin of custard! Sorry about the Celica thing, thanks for the positive comments.
Andy, the magic of the internet has made your MR2 misdemeanour disappear...apart from the comments about it... smile

ANS2vrs370

516 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th October 2010
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Riggers said:
ANS2vrs370 said:
Yep a tin of custard! Sorry about the Celica thing, thanks for the positive comments.
Andy, the magic of the internet has made your MR2 misdemeanour disappear...apart from the comments about it... smile
Riggers and now you have quoted me will remain for ever more
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Should I be expecting that parrot?