RE: Driven: Audi RS5
Discussion
Lostprophet said:
I dont fancy the RS4; suspension issues and the lack of power due to carbon build up really makes a joke of the car.
Why don't high end cars work as well as low end cars? i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
You don't think 911's are made well? I don't think Audi's are particularly well built but 911's? strange exampleWhy don't high end cars work as well as low end cars? i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
Mermaid said:
This was Audi's opportunity to knock the mighty M3 off it's perch.
Oh, and please turn those stupid fairy lights off if you have one. You can, I know you can so be cool and switch 'em off. Unless you like looking like a council house at Christmas.
Edited by macdeb on Friday 5th November 19:14
sightly gutted about the reports coming back about this car. hoped and thought it might be more hardcore. seems its been set up as more of a cruiser. im sure the quality would be amazing inside, it would great to be in on a motorway drive but sounds like it wouldnt be the thrill you wanted on a b road.
I was patiently waiting for one of these to replace my current E92 M3 as the daily drive but when it arrived was underwhelmed by both the drive and the looks, which given price with a few bits on, made my decision for me. Compared with my wife's RS4 avant it is pretty dull visually and the DSG type box is just not enough fun.
Genuinely surprised and disappointed by what Audi have done here. This has led me to order the MY2011 GT-R which to my eyes at least looks the part and performance wise is awesome.
Genuinely surprised and disappointed by what Audi have done here. This has led me to order the MY2011 GT-R which to my eyes at least looks the part and performance wise is awesome.
Lostprophet said:
i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
Have you been drinking? 60% of all the Porsches ever made are still on the road. Have a word with yourself will you. jreddihough said:
sightly gutted about the reports coming back about this car. hoped and thought it might be more hardcore. seems its been set up as more of a cruiser. im sure the quality would be amazing inside, it would great to be in on a motorway drive but sounds like it wouldnt be the thrill you wanted on a b road.
Haven't driven it (can't see a reason to), but the reports are worse than than - it can't be a cruiser, because it bounces around. What a failure! They got the R8 so right. How did they screw this up? Answer: crap basis with the engine too far out front as usual. The R8 was built to be a sports car. The A5 was built to be an Audi coupe on a VAG fwd floorpan.
Zod said:
.. How did they screw this up? Answer: crap basis with the engine too far out front as usual. The R8 was built to be a sports car. The A5 was built to be an Audi coupe on a VAG fwd floorpan.
I thought the engine has moved back considerably, unlike the RS4 that is being spoken about in better terms than the RS5.The RS5 fails on looks, the S-tronic gearbox, weight, mediocre interior (for a flagship RS far), mediocre wheels. At £40k, it will be a good buy as a cruiser.
I have had 5 A4 Audi quattros from: 2.8 A4 to; V6 S4 to; an original RS4 Avant to; 3.0TDi Avant to; currently an S4 Avant with the DSG gearbox.
Every single Audi review by a journalist ever since the day I could read a car magazines has made a comment on Audi steering feel. This should suggest that they are right, however;
In 15 years of owning them (along side various Porsches, Ferraris and Astons, some of which I still have and two years playing with P1s extensive toy set when Damon Hill still owned it) I have never really found the comments to be especially true, or at least not any more true of Audi than, say, Subaru or Porsche.
Four Wheel drive changes the weight distribution both by adding weight and by altering the weight transfer, particularly when accelerating; And yes, this does feel different, a bit like mild under-steer especially with softer suspension settings, but is it really so "deadened", or is it just what you have to write about an Audi because everybody else does? With the adjustable set up, I'd certainly agreee that on "comfort" setting the wheels are only loosley related to the steering input, but in "dynamic" they seem fine to me.
Let's admit a few things:
Ferraris are not all brilliant or beautiful;
Porsche 911s aren't tail happy anymore;
Aston Martin build quality and materials aren't actually particularly brilliant, and;
Audi's don't all have strangely dead steering; they're just 4WD going a bit quicker than usual.
I do however agree that the gearbox is too smooth.
Every single Audi review by a journalist ever since the day I could read a car magazines has made a comment on Audi steering feel. This should suggest that they are right, however;
In 15 years of owning them (along side various Porsches, Ferraris and Astons, some of which I still have and two years playing with P1s extensive toy set when Damon Hill still owned it) I have never really found the comments to be especially true, or at least not any more true of Audi than, say, Subaru or Porsche.
Four Wheel drive changes the weight distribution both by adding weight and by altering the weight transfer, particularly when accelerating; And yes, this does feel different, a bit like mild under-steer especially with softer suspension settings, but is it really so "deadened", or is it just what you have to write about an Audi because everybody else does? With the adjustable set up, I'd certainly agreee that on "comfort" setting the wheels are only loosley related to the steering input, but in "dynamic" they seem fine to me.
Let's admit a few things:
Ferraris are not all brilliant or beautiful;
Porsche 911s aren't tail happy anymore;
Aston Martin build quality and materials aren't actually particularly brilliant, and;
Audi's don't all have strangely dead steering; they're just 4WD going a bit quicker than usual.
I do however agree that the gearbox is too smooth.
Wills2 said:
Lostprophet said:
i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
Have you been drinking? 60% of all the Porsches ever made are still on the road. Have a word with yourself will you. adycav said:
Wills2 said:
Lostprophet said:
i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
Have you been drinking? 60% of all the Porsches ever made are still on the road. Have a word with yourself will you. 
One younger, one olderhttp://pistonheads.com/sales/2177771.htm
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2181779.htm
Edited by Mermaid on Saturday 6th November 12:41
Interesting & reasoned comments - must be a first on PH :-)
Have had RS4 Avant (V6)
RS6 Avant V8
Comments:
RS4 was slightly more balanced car than the RS4 V8 I drove on Audi R8 drivers day. Both RS4 Avant and my RS6 tramlined badly from new ie even on new tyres etc.
RS6 (V8) was the most awesome car I drove in terms of pulling power - twin sequentual turbos - made an M6 look wheezy.. (BMW sales guy wasnt impressed)
I agree RS badge has been diluted, not least now also by the Sportline option on std models - found it hard to tell between and RS4 (V8) and A4 Sportline coming towards you - I never had that problem with RS4 and RS6 Avants.
RS5 is now more of GT than A-B car (like UR Quattro was - also have this car)
Cannot believe Audi charge extra for this Misano Red colour - these colours used to be exclusive to RS cars. RS cars used to be fully loaded for the price - now you pay the extra for the engine/RS name but everything else is an add just like a std A4; R8 pricing policy was a joke.
And I agree - for a half-loaded RS5 you can get a very very nice pre-owned - GrandTourismo - more style (IMHO) and much more presence...
RS5 is a good car but not a great car...RS4 is better car and over half the price but you will need the savings to pay for the fuel :-)
Have had RS4 Avant (V6)
RS6 Avant V8
Comments:
RS4 was slightly more balanced car than the RS4 V8 I drove on Audi R8 drivers day. Both RS4 Avant and my RS6 tramlined badly from new ie even on new tyres etc.
RS6 (V8) was the most awesome car I drove in terms of pulling power - twin sequentual turbos - made an M6 look wheezy.. (BMW sales guy wasnt impressed)
I agree RS badge has been diluted, not least now also by the Sportline option on std models - found it hard to tell between and RS4 (V8) and A4 Sportline coming towards you - I never had that problem with RS4 and RS6 Avants.
RS5 is now more of GT than A-B car (like UR Quattro was - also have this car)
Cannot believe Audi charge extra for this Misano Red colour - these colours used to be exclusive to RS cars. RS cars used to be fully loaded for the price - now you pay the extra for the engine/RS name but everything else is an add just like a std A4; R8 pricing policy was a joke.
And I agree - for a half-loaded RS5 you can get a very very nice pre-owned - GrandTourismo - more style (IMHO) and much more presence...
RS5 is a good car but not a great car...RS4 is better car and over half the price but you will need the savings to pay for the fuel :-)
Mermaid said:
adycav said:
Wills2 said:
Lostprophet said:
i.e a Ford Focus vs 911? The Focus will outlast the 911. Yes yes the 911 is high performance... blah blah.. it also costs 5 times more. Surely it should be as good in terms of quality as a Focus?
Have you been drinking? 60% of all the Porsches ever made are still on the road. Have a word with yourself will you. One younger, one olderhttp://pistonheads.com/sales/2177771.htm
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2181779.htm
The orange one looks STUNNING.
Audi have lost the whole point of the "RS" and "S" badging on their cars! Look back to the originals the RS2 and the S2 both cars which where edgey and raw,up till the point of the RS6 C5 platform (4.5V8 twin turbo)Audi had got the RS's and S's spot on, but as the ever increasing wannabe's wanting the S & Rs styling came along with out paying the price of an rs/s, audi bowed to the masses and put on the "s-line" styling packages and the once rare original rs4 wheels appeared on the TT and the RS6 alloys became almost standard on on A41.9tdi, this then defeated the purpose of buying an rs or s to be an indivdual whom knew what they were wanting and enjoyed driving and the joy's of the rs/s cars. Now it would appear Audi are nolonger catering for this market but are now focused on making an RS as top spec'd model witht he price tag of an Rs but lacking in the true driving passion and spirit of the car. I can say this as have had various S models, RS4b5 and rs6c5, having had a shot of the rs4b7 i would happily go back to an old rs4bd or even dare i say it a UR Quattro.
Fire up the quattro lol
Fire up the quattro lol
J-Skid said:
I too drove one last week, as I'm in the market for a car of this ilk. For me, it is up against:
M3
1-2 year old 911 C2 'S'
C63
I have to say that I really liked its more "lazy" approach. It is bonkersly fast although the M3 would be quicker on track, as it is just better balanced.
But for the "London to South of France" blat, it and the c63 are looking favourite.
I had a C63 and it was one of the best cars i have ever had (and i ve had a few to say the least) good looking, fast and comfatable to drive, rear tyers only last about 4500 miles, but i do miss it M3
1-2 year old 911 C2 'S'
C63
I have to say that I really liked its more "lazy" approach. It is bonkersly fast although the M3 would be quicker on track, as it is just better balanced.
But for the "London to South of France" blat, it and the c63 are looking favourite.
Lostprophet said:
I dont fancy the RS4; suspension issues and the lack of power due to carbon build up really makes a joke of the car.
Ah... classic PH bandwagon statements, such as TVR's always break down and Porsche drivers have small appendages Carbon build up is not limited to the RS4, it's a direct injection issue, although unless the carbon is preventing the valve from seating, there's very little evidence linking it to a loss of power.
The suspension is covered with a 5 year warranty, although there are plenty that have their original suspension, including mine and i can say it's fine handling car for being a bit portly.
So, it's far from being a joke car, certainly wouldn't trade it in for an RS5 either.
Took the RS4 (B7) in for a service last week - they had a white RS5 (complete with the halfords rear wing). Visually, my thoughts are that the car lacks impact. It's also a big old barge - Definitely more of a 'softer' GT than the RS badging warrants. I have not driven one - so can't compare it to my B7 - but surely at the price it is pitching itself against 2/3 year old V8 R8's? I know which car I would rather have.
I was genuinely interested in the RS5. The RS4 cost £35k when I bought it - so £35-40k (used RS5) would be my theoretical budget in 2/3 years time. Having said that, looking at what else my £40k could get me (as opposed to the Audi) I would have a hard time justifying the RS5 as anything other than an outside shot.
Same goes for the TTRS. They also had one of these in the dealership - priced at £55k!
I was genuinely interested in the RS5. The RS4 cost £35k when I bought it - so £35-40k (used RS5) would be my theoretical budget in 2/3 years time. Having said that, looking at what else my £40k could get me (as opposed to the Audi) I would have a hard time justifying the RS5 as anything other than an outside shot.
Same goes for the TTRS. They also had one of these in the dealership - priced at £55k!
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