RE: BMW Hybrid Supercar Confirmed
Discussion
I liked this when it was used as a promotional microsite for IE9
http://joydefinesthefuture.com/ (Warning the site is pretty browser intensive and only works with the very latest ones)
http://joydefinesthefuture.com/ (Warning the site is pretty browser intensive and only works with the very latest ones)
TimS2000 said:
Butt-ugly, hybrid, diesel, over £100k - I'll pass thanks.
p.s. Anyone who can a £100k car isn't going to be that worried about fuel economy...
That's besides the point. I wouldn't be surprised if due to regulations it won't be legal to make cars that aren't worried about fuel economy before long.p.s. Anyone who can a £100k car isn't going to be that worried about fuel economy...
So with that in mind, something with a drag coefficient of 0.22, 326bhp and hardly any weight seems like the perfect antidote.
looks ace, is this to make people think hybrids can be sexy?
Frontal view looks hot, back view looks like a constipated samurai.
If the politicians approve, this will be your only choice in 10years time.
The bottom line is, is it clever/quick/sexy enough to "cut the mustard"? Hmmm not sure...
Frontal view looks hot, back view looks like a constipated samurai.
If the politicians approve, this will be your only choice in 10years time.
The bottom line is, is it clever/quick/sexy enough to "cut the mustard"? Hmmm not sure...
I think some people are missing the REALLY exciting point about this.
1) Yes its ugly
2) Yes its not that fast for a "super-car"
3) Yes 100k is ridiculous for a car such as that
But.....
4) we must start somewhere
5) this will offer a proof of demand for super-car hybrids
6) Its a lot better than previous efforts
7) give it 10 years and we will have celica equivalents blasting around our A roads in silence based on the technology they are developing now.
So it may be pretty poor for todays petrol standards, but given all the R&D going into it I think its a cracking move by BMW to give their competitors something to worry about and try to beat.
Hoorah for BMW !!!!!
Twincam16 said:
TimS2000 said:
Butt-ugly, hybrid, diesel, over £100k - I'll pass thanks.
p.s. Anyone who can a £100k car isn't going to be that worried about fuel economy...
That's besides the point. I wouldn't be surprised if due to regulations it won't be legal to make cars that aren't worried about fuel economy before long.p.s. Anyone who can a £100k car isn't going to be that worried about fuel economy...
So with that in mind, something with a drag coefficient of 0.22, 326bhp and hardly any weight seems like the perfect antidote.
But it will probably end up with a crappy ride and rubberband tyres as its german
Love this. Love the car, but the thing I like best is that all the half wits who respond to every post with "boring, seen it all before" are genuinely lost and confused.
This is the future. The winners from the current car industry will be the ones who realise that, and realise that having money does not by definition mean you don't care about the environment.
This is the closest thing to an exciting, sustainable, and legislation agreeable car I have seen. We salute you.
Or just keep building v12's and make it so Europe forces the manufactures into something far worse. You choose.
This is the future. The winners from the current car industry will be the ones who realise that, and realise that having money does not by definition mean you don't care about the environment.
This is the closest thing to an exciting, sustainable, and legislation agreeable car I have seen. We salute you.
Or just keep building v12's and make it so Europe forces the manufactures into something far worse. You choose.
bakerjuk said:
But.....
4) we must start somewhere
Yes - but let's start with much more efficient I/C engines using a range of fuels - ethanol, butanol, methanol etc. 4) we must start somewhere
Of course most of all this is out of our control because the UK invests the square root of naff all in R&D and doesn't invest anything like enough in technology companies.
mind you I'd have gone for the broken leather of basket weave look myself !!!blingrims said:
Love this. Love the car, but the thing I like best is that all the half wits who respond to every post with "boring, seen it all before" are genuinely lost and confused.
This is the future. The winners from the current car industry will be the ones who realise that, and realise that having money does not by definition mean you don't care about the environment.
This is the closest thing to an exciting, sustainable, and legislation agreeable car I have seen. We salute you.
Or just keep building v12's and make it so Europe forces the manufactures into something far worse. You choose.
This is the future. The winners from the current car industry will be the ones who realise that, and realise that having money does not by definition mean you don't care about the environment.
This is the closest thing to an exciting, sustainable, and legislation agreeable car I have seen. We salute you.
Or just keep building v12's and make it so Europe forces the manufactures into something far worse. You choose.
The way I see it, we're facing a situation not unlike America in the early '70s.
They'd just had a heyday of muscle cars, with displacements approaching 8 litres and scarcely-believable power outputs. They were cheaply engineered, very heavy, and thirsty beyond belief. This was fine in a time before CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) regulations and very cheap fuel, but that era ended very suddenly.
What followed was frankly embarassing for America. The muscle cars downsized but retained the barn-door engineering and merely became pointless. America was promptly flooded with European and Japanese imports that offered things like twin-cam 'fours' and 'sixes' or small lightweight aluminium V8s, turbochargers, independent rear suspension and light weight. Not only did they use a lot less fuel, they also matched the muscle-car performance. Look at the big-sellers of that era - cars like the Datsun 240Z, Fiat 124 Spider, Triumph TR8 - then compare them to the long-in-the-tooth likes of the Mustang II, smogged-out Corvette C3, Chrysler Cordoba-based Dodge Charger etc. A poor shadow of their former selves.
And yes, so rich people could still afford to buy and run them, but thanks to environmental legislation, their power outputs were floored with de-smogging gear and they were ever-heavier as luxury toys strained to make up for the lack of appeal elsewhere.
Truth is, I think the muscle-car-with-IRS recipe that it seems Germany has embraced for the last decade or so has run it's course. Engines can't get much bigger or more powerful without just becoming pointless. Attention has to turn to the Chapman Principle to make cars perform the way we're used to whilst needing less power.
I also think this will lead to cars that are actually more satisfying to drive. The lighter they are, the less assistance the steering needs, the less bulk there is to keep in check round corners, the more immediate the acceleration and so on.
Problem is, the more the traditionalists harrumph and hector about 'just sticking a V8 in it' and dismissing climate-change legislation - no matter how 'right' you think you are, you WILL get left behind.
Just cherish the era of big V8 engines, maintain the cars as classics, and move on.
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