RE: Driven: Lotus Evora S
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shoestring7 said:
jazzyjeff said:
shoestring7 said:
Pistonheads bloke said:
It'll hit 60mph from rest in 4.6sec (4.8sec to 62mph, a tenth quicker than a 911 Carrera and a good deal quicker than a Cayman S
Porsche quote 0-62mph in 4.9seconds for a Cayman 'S' with PDK.I wish Lotus well, but I'm afraid it looks very expensive compared to a £44k Cayman 'S', and will inevitably be a more risky ownership proposition.
SS7
Once you add in the extras that should have been standard equipment you're surely looking at > £55k?
JJ
S'funny how there's always stuff on PH's mourning the lack of simple, inexpensive lightweight sports cars, and yet you feel its necessary to stick £11k of tinsel at one of the best available.
SS7
The Pits said:
If you choose all the doo dahs on the Cayman S options list you can get it up to £80k. Seriously. Go on porsche's online configurator if you think I'm exaggerating. God only knows what a 911 can be specced up to. It's absolutely scandalous what Porsche charge. Sadly because it's so profitable and numbskulls continue to buy them, other manufacturers have seen fit to copy their pricing policy. To a lesser extent now Lotus too. All hail the japanese approach I say.
Well you can see why it works, just look at the number of people on here who call the Evora "too expensive" largely because they aren't as bad as Porsche at this. The Pits said:
shoestring7 said:
jazzyjeff said:
shoestring7 said:
Pistonheads bloke said:
It'll hit 60mph from rest in 4.6sec (4.8sec to 62mph, a tenth quicker than a 911 Carrera and a good deal quicker than a Cayman S
Porsche quote 0-62mph in 4.9seconds for a Cayman 'S' with PDK.I wish Lotus well, but I'm afraid it looks very expensive compared to a £44k Cayman 'S', and will inevitably be a more risky ownership proposition.
SS7
Once you add in the extras that should have been standard equipment you're surely looking at > £55k?
JJ
S'funny how there's always stuff on PH's mourning the lack of simple, inexpensive lightweight sports cars, and yet you feel its necessary to stick £11k of tinsel at one of the best available.
SS7
Its all here if you're interested: http://thecarlistblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/joy-of-...
SS7
[quote=The Pits
If you choose all the doo dahs on the Cayman S options list you can get it up to £80k. Seriously. Go on porsche's online configurator if you think I'm exaggerating. God only knows what a 911 can be specced up to. It's absolutely scandalous what Porsche charge. Sadly because it's so profitable and numbskulls continue to buy them, other manufacturers have seen fit to copy their pricing policy. To a lesser extent now Lotus too. All hail the japanese approach I say.
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You can't get a cayman up to £80k you idiot,the most is like £56k.Stop talking like a moaning old woman, I think you just have a life- long obsession about hating Porsche, and they are well priced, compared to other sports cars. Anyway, Japanese cars are expensive, like that new Subaru which is like £33k, which is quite a lot of money for that type of car, considering it hasn't got German build quality,(The Best). And so-called "numskulls" continue to buy them because they are the best sports car in the price range.
If you choose all the doo dahs on the Cayman S options list you can get it up to £80k. Seriously. Go on porsche's online configurator if you think I'm exaggerating. God only knows what a 911 can be specced up to. It's absolutely scandalous what Porsche charge. Sadly because it's so profitable and numbskulls continue to buy them, other manufacturers have seen fit to copy their pricing policy. To a lesser extent now Lotus too. All hail the japanese approach I say.
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You can't get a cayman up to £80k you idiot,the most is like £56k.Stop talking like a moaning old woman, I think you just have a life- long obsession about hating Porsche, and they are well priced, compared to other sports cars. Anyway, Japanese cars are expensive, like that new Subaru which is like £33k, which is quite a lot of money for that type of car, considering it hasn't got German build quality,(The Best). And so-called "numskulls" continue to buy them because they are the best sports car in the price range.
Porsche997C4S said:
... considering it hasn't got German build quality,(The Best)...
Do you really believe that? I didn't think anyone still believed that the Germans built cars better than the Japanese any more. Oh and by the way, I just managed to spec a Cayman S up at well over 70k before I got bored on the Porsche configurer thingie.
ETA: I particularly like the fact that they charge you a grand for the honour of picking it up from the factory.
Edited by kambites on Monday 8th November 17:34
kambites said:
Porsche997C4S said:
... considering it hasn't got German build quality,(The Best)...
Do you really believe that? I didn't think anyone still believed that the Germans built cars better than the Japanese any more.RichB said:
I have no axe to grind but the two cars I have owned which I have been most impressed with the quality of the materials and build have both been Porsches so yes, I would say they are of a particularly good quality.
I wasn't particularly commenting on Porsche, just the: "it's German so it must have great build quality". Most German car manufacturers don't even seem to be able to get close to their Japanese competition in terms of actual build quality and/or reliability, even if they can surpass them in perceived quality levels. As far as I can tell Porsche themselves, except for the recent (rather exaggerated, it has to be said) RMS/IMS problems, seem OK, although the owners I know have mostly had quite a few niggling problems with them.
Edited by kambites on Monday 8th November 18:09
RichB said:
I couldn't comment on that as I have zero interest in Japanese cars.
I have zero interest in cars of any particular nationality. Country of origin doesn't even really make up part of my thought process when buying a car. I'd just as happily drive a Chinese car as an Italian one, as long as it's good. Not that there are any really good Chinese cars, but you know what I mean.
Edited by kambites on Monday 8th November 18:14
kambites said:
Perhaps you're one of relatively few Cayman drivers who bought the car for how it drives, not just as a home for his toys, with a poncy badge on the front. 
The same can be said of modern Lotus. For example, in my own workplace experiences, I've found the Elise is worn as a 'purist' badge of honour by an inordinate number of young males in the IT field. Very vocal about the 'superiority' of their car they are too. Embarrassingly so at times.
Unfortunately, many of them from what I've found, can't drive for s
t!!For those who don't believe that you can spec a Cayman S north of £80k here is the result of my brief encounter with the configurator on the Porsche website.
Cayman S basic: £45,048
lobotomy spec: £37,821
total: £82,869
and that's before you've got into anything like bespoke paint, (for which Lotus charges you £2k).
£56k gets you a very low spec car.
This is relevant in that the original ph article (written by Adam Towler) is unfair and inaccurate to Lotus. Hopefully the above numbers have done enough to convince even the most hardened porsche loyalist that their basic prices are not representative.
"(our car was over £62K with extras) the Evora S sits below the 911 Carrera (£65,889)"
comparing a fully equipped car with a basic Porsche is not comparing like with like.
Cayman S basic: £45,048
lobotomy spec: £37,821
total: £82,869
and that's before you've got into anything like bespoke paint, (for which Lotus charges you £2k).
£56k gets you a very low spec car.
This is relevant in that the original ph article (written by Adam Towler) is unfair and inaccurate to Lotus. Hopefully the above numbers have done enough to convince even the most hardened porsche loyalist that their basic prices are not representative.
"(our car was over £62K with extras) the Evora S sits below the 911 Carrera (£65,889)"
comparing a fully equipped car with a basic Porsche is not comparing like with like.
I think you'll find that many manufacturers make more money on selling the options, financing and insurance than the car itself. All because most buyers just compare the base price and add the other stuff when they've chosen a model. Looks like Lotus is going toe to toe with Porsche on their sport+luxury offering, but the Evora looks like a cracking car, just an expensive one. And yes I would consider swappng my Cayman S for one next time around even tho the Cayman is such a fabulous car, it's just not as quick as it should be. And yes again I'd probably let myself be sold lots of extra toys to play with as well!
I've had quite a few 911s, and other high peformance stuff including an Esprit 2.2 in the early nineties.
Though I love the cars from Stuttgart I'm fed up with their ubiquity, especially here in London, the crap and expensive servicing from main dealers, and the chronic depreciation. I looked at a 997 turbo recently. 2007 car, cost £105k less than 3 years ago. Mine for £57k.
So I'm buying an Evora. Decided to wait for the 'S'. On build quality it isn't quite as "tight" as most german kit but it's pretty good, and general reliability is way better than perception based on all the feedback I've picked up from other forums (and on PH).
Frankly I don't care if it costs more than a base spec Cayman (which is probably Porsche's best car currently): it's a joy to drive, a little bit more special on account of looks and rarity, and can tour Europe and belt around a track.
That it costs more than any other curent Lotus is daft objection. Did folk reject the first GTR because Nissan once made the Datsun Sunny?
Though I love the cars from Stuttgart I'm fed up with their ubiquity, especially here in London, the crap and expensive servicing from main dealers, and the chronic depreciation. I looked at a 997 turbo recently. 2007 car, cost £105k less than 3 years ago. Mine for £57k.
So I'm buying an Evora. Decided to wait for the 'S'. On build quality it isn't quite as "tight" as most german kit but it's pretty good, and general reliability is way better than perception based on all the feedback I've picked up from other forums (and on PH).
Frankly I don't care if it costs more than a base spec Cayman (which is probably Porsche's best car currently): it's a joy to drive, a little bit more special on account of looks and rarity, and can tour Europe and belt around a track.
That it costs more than any other curent Lotus is daft objection. Did folk reject the first GTR because Nissan once made the Datsun Sunny?
kambites said:
RichB said:
I couldn't comment on that as I have zero interest in Japanese cars.
I have zero interest in cars of any particular nationality. Country of origin doesn't even really make up part of my thought process when buying a car. I'd just as happily drive a Chinese car as an Italian one, as long as it's good. Not that there are any really good Chinese cars, but you know what I mean.
kambites said:
RichB said:
I couldn't comment on that as I have zero interest in Japanese cars.
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