RE: New Porsche Cayman R Revealed

[Rawwr]

juansolo said:

Marf said:

Should have been there from the beginning. Sports car without an LSD

Elises don't have an LSD and they get on pretty well.

Some of them do, but pedantry aside, I'd never say an LSD was a prerequisite.

[Roberty]

carl carlson said:

If I was in the market for this kind of thing I would walk straight past the porsche dealer and straight into the Lotus dealer for my Evora S.

Your a brave man!

It'll be a great drive though, until it starts to fall apart.


Porsche flat 6 or super charged Toyota v6? Each to their own!

[Great Pretender]

juansolo said:

It could have cooking engines. People who want a 911 buy a 911, that'll never change. They like that it's got odd handling, that's part of the appeal. Some people like their cars to handle correctly and for those people the 911 isn't the upgrade path. Where do we go? Nowhere, because they won't cater for us. Their attitude on race/clubsport Caymans is that 'we race the 911'. That's it. I suppose Ferrari giving them a kicking lately might get them to re-think. But unfortunately the bean counters and marketing teams would have a coronary, and they have far more influence in Porsche than the engineers it seems. Let the Cayman be all it can be. There's a cracking car there just screaming for a big engine and a proper weight reduction. Then it might deserve the badge they've slapped on it.

That is so unbelievably naive, I don't even know where to start with it.

[Mjpmark]

As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.

You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997

The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?

The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.

[Hitch78]

kambites said:

Hitch78 said:

kambites said:

Thinking about it, I wonder if Porsche should simply ditch the 911 GT3 RS (surely not many of them sell to people who'd want the 911 badge over the Cayman's handling?) and build a direct replacement based on the Cayman?

I think most of them sell to people who want the 911 badge. That's half the point.

I'd assumed they sell to people who want a drivers' car.

Which is probably the other half of the point. I'm sure that if there was a 'GT3 spec' Cayman Porsche would sell bucket loads of them too.

Ferrari don't seem to have issue with their more junior cars packing a healthy punch and being the better handlers in the range so I struggle to see why Porsche should.

[Wills2]

kambites said:

Hitch78 said:

kambites said:

Thinking about it, I wonder if Porsche should simply ditch the 911 GT3 RS (surely not many of them sell to people who'd want the 911 badge over the Cayman's handling?) and build a direct replacement based on the Cayman?

I think most of them sell to people who want the 911 badge. That's half the point.

Oh OK. I'd assumed they sell to people who want a drivers' car. Maybe I'm being naive.

Perhaps they want a 911 because of the 40 odd years of history? The racing pedigree? Childhood dream? The 911 is a motoring icon and that draws people in, and lets not forget that time and time again it continues to come out on top in just about every test in every magazine.

I find it amusing that every Cayman discussion on PH turns into a "lets slag the 911 off thread"

[Hitch78]

Mjpmark said:

As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.

You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997

The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?

The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.

That is a lot of tosh.

[kambites]

Mjpmark said:

You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997

I would, if they built a GT3 RS type one.

Even now, I'd take a Cayman S over a 911C2 if I didn't need the rear seats, although obviously I'd take a GT3 RS over both.

[Beedub]

nice car.... loe the idea but i might as well pick up a year old spyder for much less which imo looks better with those lovely humps at the back.. ive spent alot of seat time in a spyder at the track, one word.... awesome!!

[zakelwe]

You don't really need air con in the UK unless you are a salesman worried about sweaty pits, not sure why people are so soft nowadays.

Mind you they haven't gone far enough with the weight saving, it should have 17 inch wheels which are even lighter, it should have carbon roof, doors, bonnet and engine cover too.

Get a normal one and take it to Autofarm to really put it on a diet and get the power up by more than 30bhp instead.

Andy

[kambites]

Wills2 said:

Perhaps they want a 911 because of the 40 odd years of history? The racing pedigree? Childhood dream? The 911 is a motoring icon and that draws people in, and lets not forget that time and time again it continues to come out on top in just about every test in every magazine.

Really? I've never seen a comparative test say that the 911C2 is a better car than the Cayman S and I've seen several say that the Cayman is better.

And "History" is just a more socially acceptable term for badge snobbery. It adds nothing real to the actual car in question. Not that there's anything wrong with badge snobbery, particularly, if it makes people happy, but that's what it is.

I want Porsche to produce the best car that than can now, not 40 years ago, and to my mind that would be based on the Cayman, not the 911.

ETA: Obviously that "want" is from a purely selfish perspective. I don't expect Porsche to do it when it would probably ultimately lose them money over their current business model.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:30

[juansolo]

Great Pretender said:

juansolo said:

It could have cooking engines. People who want a 911 buy a 911, that'll never change. They like that it's got odd handling, that's part of the appeal. Some people like their cars to handle correctly and for those people the 911 isn't the upgrade path. Where do we go? Nowhere, because they won't cater for us. Their attitude on race/clubsport Caymans is that 'we race the 911'. That's it. I suppose Ferrari giving them a kicking lately might get them to re-think. But unfortunately the bean counters and marketing teams would have a coronary, and they have far more influence in Porsche than the engineers it seems. Let the Cayman be all it can be. There's a cracking car there just screaming for a big engine and a proper weight reduction. Then it might deserve the badge they've slapped on it.

That is so unbelievably naive, I don't even know where to start with it.

Please, be my guest.

I totally accept that this is all about making money, of course it is. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to vent my frustration when they do a parts bin special when I was hoping for so much more only for them to do less than I expected (and I didn't expect much!).

[RichyBoy]

No ipad update and now this, too much bad news this week.

[juansolo]

Mjpmark said:

As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.

You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997

The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?

The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.

You're looking at a £50k car here, for that money you can have plenty of older 911s and are looking at a 996 GT3 Mk2 easily. I know this because when my brother was looking for a new car, it was an alternative. For me I was looking at a 993 Carerra 2 as an alternative. I bought a Cayman, he bought a Boxster Spyder. Christ, if all you're bothered about is going fast you could get a Nissan GTR for that sort of money.

If you want to go fast around a track, buy a race car. They're far more suited to it than any car that's compromised by having number plates.

Edited by juansolo on Wednesday 17th November 11:38

[Rawwr]

juansolo said:

You're looking at a £50k car here, for that money you can have plenty of older 911s and are looking at a 996 GT3 Mk2 easily.

There's even a 530bhp 996 GT2 Clubsport for sale in the classifieds at the moment for under £50k

[jon-]

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[Wills2]

kambites said:

Wills2 said:

Perhaps they want a 911 because of the 40 odd years of history? The racing pedigree? Childhood dream? The 911 is a motoring icon and that draws people in, and lets not forget that time and time again it continues to come out on top in just about every test in every magazine.

Really? I've never seen a comparative test say that the 911C2 is a better car than the Cayman S and I've seen several say that the Cayman is better.

And "History" is just a more socially acceptable term for badge snobbery. It adds nothing real to the actual car in question. Not that there's anything wrong with badge snobbery, particularly, if it makes people happy, but that's what it is.

I want Porsche to produce the best car that than can now, not 40 years ago, and to my mind that would be based on the Cayman, not the 911.

ETA: Obviously that "want" is from a purely selfish perspective. I don't expect Porsche to do it when it would probably ultimately lose them money over their current business model.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:30

Did you notice I said "just about" not "all".

You can call it badge snobbery but others call it pedigree.

Anyways I like the Cayman and I like this new one too.....peace.

[kambites]

Rawwr said:

juansolo said:

You're looking at a £50k car here, for that money you can have plenty of older 911s and are looking at a 996 GT3 Mk2 easily.

There's even a 530bhp 996 GT2 Clubsport for sale in the classifieds at the moment for under £50k

That may have slight disadvantages if you (a) want to hold onto you licence or (b) want to hold onto your life.

[unpc]

juansolo said:

This is just a parts bin special.

Porsche in parts bin special shocker. Who'd have thought...

[kambites]

Wills2 said:

Did you notice I said "just about" not "all".

Sorry yes, I did, I was just pointing out that as far as I know, none of them were comparing it to the car that this thread is about.

ETA: Obviously none of them are about the Cayman R, but you know what I mean.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:47