RE: New Porsche Cayman R Revealed
Discussion
Hitch78 said:
Mjpmark said:
As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.
You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
That is a lot of tosh. You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
I think the secondhand market shows that. The age of a car is always a factor, but I know plenty of people who've bought a Cayman instead of a 911 as a genuine choice.Hitch78 said:
Mjpmark said:
As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.
You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
That is a lot of tosh. You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
Whilst I dont believe Porsche have gone far enough with the R, bigger ARB's, lightweight doors, bonnet etc, I do believe that the Cayman is still a hugely capable and fun car. People slag it off for being too 'clinical' but to me that just says it doesnt have any major flaws that people seem to like having ala the Z4M and its lively rear end and stiff ride. If you haven't driven a Cayman S in the manner to which it should be accustomed then you are missing out on a cracking, confidence inspiring drive. I'll whisper it but I prefer the Cayman S when you get nearer to the limit than my 997 as it just feels more secure.
RobM77 said:
Hitch78 said:
Mjpmark said:
As a group of petrol heads, myself and friends constantly dip into the porsche pool of fun. This is one car which what ever way you look at it, the following is true.
You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
That is a lot of tosh. You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
The press office should be going on strike after being given such sh**ty figures to try and advertise a new supposedly fast performance car. Are porsche really progressing now?
The final insult to injury is: A few of us spent 5k on a nicely spec'd 1996 mr2 turbo, regardless of driver in the cayman s, it cannot live with the MR2 on street or track. Now not taking anythign from the MR2 - we love it. But in this day of engineering perfection things need to be better. I'd love the new porsches to be at the top of our buying list everytime. But it seems time and time again they dont step up to the reputation they once had.
I think the secondhand market shows that. The age of a car is always a factor, but I know plenty of people who've bought a Cayman instead of a 911 as a genuine choice.
Mjpmark said:
You couldnt afford the 911 - regardless of press hype the 911 is the porsche to have to drive to be seen in. Lets face it without a limit on budget you would not get a cayman over a 997
Oddly, I WOULD choose a Cayman over a 911. The 911 is too big and too dull looking. Why are all the ones I see a variant on a shade of grey? The only thing left is the name and the mystique. When most petrolheads (at least on here) still seem to be playing Top Trumps in the school yard (0-60 in 3.01735 ha!), I'd go for the looker every time. Perhaps I'm strange, no strike that, I AM strange, I believe that a car should be as small as possible to perform the function required of it. The 911 is fat. Have a look at one in traffic, it's the size of a bloody Mondeo. When did that happen? As for this version? Why the hell not.
I'll take one in red, ta. Now, where did I put my piggy bank...
kambites said:
CrisW said:
The base model 911 engine could be the top of the line Cayman engine without the world ending surely.
GT3 RS engine please. 
Oh and a proper linear steering rack.
Couldn't agree more. The Cayman's a great car, but I think it badly needs a touch of Lotus in the controls (apart from the brake pedal, which is sublime), and Porsche need to realise that life's short and get over this 911 problem they have which infects the rest of the range. Oh, and as you say, steering that changes its gearing depending on how tight the corner is is just a terrible idea. Mercedes get away with it ok with their system (which is optional...), because it switches at a very small steering deflection, so it's calm on the motorway but pointy everywhere else. Porsche's rack, on the hand, lets you take a series of B road sweepers and lodge the steering effects in memory, and then when you come to a tight bend it's like you're suddenly driving a different car. I nearly ran over a mini roundabout on my last Cayman S test drive, and on my first drive I did actually kick up dust on an apex I'd planned to miss by six inches. K.I.S.S....That's the frustrating thing about the Cayman. As it stands, it's a very, very good car, but it seems to me that it wouldn't actually take much to make it one of the best sports cars of all time, and Porsche don't seem willing to do it, presumably (or so I'm told) for fear of hurting the 911 brand.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:58
kambites said:
That's the frustrating thing about the Cayman. As it stands, it's a very, very good car, but it seems to me that it wouldn't actually take much to make it one of the best sports cars of all time, and Porsche don't seem willing to do it.
Maybe they will when the 998 911 comes out? If it's a significant improvement over the 997 Gen 2 then they'll have a bit more room to make the Cayman even better. Though saying that, they'd have to hike the price of the Carrera though. I wonder how similar the buyers of a 911 and Cayman are. The 911 is after all a 4-seater, grand-tourer type car in the lower versions.
The wing for this car should be a little less apologetic.
Other than that and that perhaps they could have gone a little further in lightening it (plexiglass etc), and maybe badging it as a Clubsport, I like it!!
edited: Hate the colour of the car in the pics though, orange yes, red yes, white yes, vomit no.
Other than that and that perhaps they could have gone a little further in lightening it (plexiglass etc), and maybe badging it as a Clubsport, I like it!!
edited: Hate the colour of the car in the pics though, orange yes, red yes, white yes, vomit no.
Edited by anniesdad on Wednesday 17th November 12:07
Chris Harris has been ranting about it having an R badge.
Interesting article he's written here - http://community.evo.co.uk/users/Monkey-Harris/blo...
Interesting article he's written here - http://community.evo.co.uk/users/Monkey-Harris/blo...
kambites said:
That's the frustrating thing about the Cayman. As it stands, it's a very, very good car, but it seems to me that it wouldn't actually take much to make it one of the best sports cars of all time, and Porsche don't seem willing to do it, presumably (or so I'm told) for fear of hurting the 911 brand.
Just after launch I'd got it worked out that it was probably the best car ever made, I'd reckoned I could spare £50k, and I made the trip to Porsche to try it. I was disappointed, and walked away cash in hand. For me it was like Mclaren's comment on Kimi Raikonnen - hugely talented and with the ability to be a world leader, but just fell short of the mark on a few areas that were easily worked on, if the inclination was there (I'm not criticising him, that's what Mclaren said).Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:58
The Cayman S would indeed be the best everyday useable sports car ever made if it had:
Better steering feel. This always causes arguments on here, but face it - the steering, whilst accurate and everything Chris Harris says it is along those lines, just doesn't have the feel of something like an Evora, or even the PAS Esprit from twenty years ago...
A linear steering rack. Only reactive steerers (perhaps like rally ace Rohrl...) get on with the Cayman. Most pre-emptive steerers like myself (and most track drivers) can't drive it properly.
Another 3 inches of steering wheel rake adjustment so I don't have to look like a waterskiing Orangutan when I'm driving it.
No throttle lag. This is fine on a £15k Vectra or Mondeo, but on a £50k Porsche? Sure, it seems from what people say on here that I'm in a minority of people who get pissed off with this, but for a car worth £50k that has at least a 5-7 year model life and made for driving enthusiasts, it's totally unacceptable. Mercedes AMG manage it, as to Audi RS models and of course Lotus, so Porsche: catch up!
RobM77 said:
kambites said:
That's the frustrating thing about the Cayman. As it stands, it's a very, very good car, but it seems to me that it wouldn't actually take much to make it one of the best sports cars of all time, and Porsche don't seem willing to do it, presumably (or so I'm told) for fear of hurting the 911 brand.
Just after launch I'd got it worked out that it was probably the best car ever made, I'd reckoned I could spare £50k, and I made the trip to Porsche to try it. I was disappointed, and walked away cash in hand. For me it was like Mclaren's comment on Kimi Raikonnen - hugely talented and with the ability to be a world leader, but just fell short of the mark on a few areas that were easily worked on, if the inclination was there (I'm not criticising him, that's what Mclaren said).Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 11:58
The Cayman S would indeed be the best everyday useable sports car ever made if it had:
Better steering feel. This always causes arguments on here, but face it - the steering, whilst accurate and everything Chris Harris says it is along those lines, just doesn't have the feel of something like an Evora, or even the PAS Esprit from twenty years ago...
A linear steering rack. Only reactive steerers (perhaps like rally ace Rohrl...) get on with the Cayman. Most pre-emptive steerers like myself (and most track drivers) can't drive it properly.
Another 3 inches of steering wheel rake adjustment so I don't have to look like a waterskiing Orangutan when I'm driving it.
No throttle lag. This is fine on a £15k Vectra or Mondeo, but on a £50k Porsche? Sure, it seems from what people say on here that I'm in a minority of people who get pissed off with this, but for a car worth £50k that has at least a 5-7 year model life and made for driving enthusiasts, it's totally unacceptable. Mercedes AMG manage it, as to Audi RS models and of course Lotus, so Porsche: catch up!
king hard, and there's no need for it. Essentially if they could make the Cayman ride and handle like an Evora, it'd be the best car in it's class by miles. iain1970 said:
I've not smirked at such a load of rubbish in a long time, four pages of moaning from hardcore 'drivers' that push their cars to the limit each and every day that Porsche have launched, nay DARED launch a Cayman (always known never to be allowed to out perform a basic 911) that might be not was expected from all these people with readies waiting to be spent on their product.
I bet they're kicking themselves they've got it so wrong.
I don't think anyone is actually claiming that Porsche should have done anything different. They're a company, their job is to make money, not produce the best possible cars. This is a forum of motoring and/or driving enthusiasts though, not of accountants and business analysts. I bet they're kicking themselves they've got it so wrong.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th November 12:16
kambites said:
iain1970 said:
I've not smirked at such a load of rubbish in a long time, four pages of moaning from hardcore 'drivers' that push their cars to the limit each and every day that Porsche have launched, nay DARED launch a Cayman (always known never to be allowed to out perform a basic 911) that might be not was expected from all these people with readies waiting to be spent on their product.
I bet they're kicking themselves they've got it so wrong.
I don't think anyone is actually claiming that Porsche should have done anything different. They're a company, their job is to make money, not produce the best possible cars. This is a forum of motoring and/or driving enthusiasts though, not of accountants and business analysts. I bet they're kicking themselves they've got it so wrong.
However, this car has been rumored for ages. So much so that I've been intentionally putting money away and working out how I could justify buying one. Now the announcement is out, I find myself not being in the slightest bit interested. *shrugs* so in that respect they've certainly lost one sale.
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