RE: Open Season: Porsche Boxster

[RichB]

Garlick said:

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911.

Oh FFS, not this old chestnut I know a long-term PHer who has many a supercar and also a Boxster S. Perhaps he knows nothing?

I do hope you haven't joined simply to provoke a reaction......let's see.

All he did by joining was to demonstrate his ignorance. "Planning to put the Panamera into production"

[adycav]

Garlick said:

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911.

Oh FFS, not this old chestnut I know a long-term PHer who has many a supercar and also a Boxster S. Perhaps he knows nothing?

I do hope you haven't joined simply to provoke a reaction......let's see.

The Boxster is a rich man's MR2 Roadster.

[MC Bodge]

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911

and most often uttered by those who can afford neither.

I'd have a Boxster, although it would have to be the oldest, most basic one I could find, stripped out, fitted with smaller, narrower wheels and painted with a brush.

-a real poor man's Porsche.

[SFO]

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911.

have you driven either?

[nickfrog]

anonymous said:

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That's what I loved with my 2.5 on M030+17'. Soooo much grip and so light you could drive almost round any corner without lifting off anywhere let alone use the brakes. Slight exageration but it was overchassied rather than underpowered.

[nickfrog]

broker1 said:

Tomoose85 said:

Its bonkers how cheap these are too - 05s with 80k now creeping under £13k, bloody tempting!!

Yeah until you get a problem.

ONE rear muffler was £1400 OEM from dealer for my Cayman S. I wouldn't own a Porsche without a warranty.

By muffler you refer to the exhaust? I doubt it would be covered by any warranty. Also, how come was this so expensive and what part of it was affected ? Very rarely heard of Boxster exhaust issues.
I assume you used an OPC. Boxster are very cheap to maintain and repair providing you use a reputable indy rather than clueless OPCs. They are similar to a 3-series in terms of part cost and very qualified specialist labour can be bought for £65 / hour.

[heebeegeetee]

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911. Don't take that the wrong way because i'm a great fan of the porsche. Furthermore, porsche are planning on puting the panerema in production but their also want to get together and work with bentley due to the car (panerema) being a saloon and a luxury. So they'll need abit of help, extra help in fact since porsche got a new owner. Who i assume is less experienced? Porsche weren't aloud to reveal bhp,torque and all the qualities of the car etc, since they still haven't decided if they are going to put the car in production!

What the hell was that all about?

[heebeegeetee]

RichB said:

Garlick said:

Car Enthusiast 1 said:

For me the Porsche Boxster, is a poor mans 911.

Oh FFS, not this old chestnut I know a long-term PHer who has many a supercar and also a Boxster S. Perhaps he knows nothing?

I do hope you haven't joined simply to provoke a reaction......let's see.

All he did by joining was to demonstrate his ignorance. "Planning to put the Panamera into production"

No, the Panerema.

God almighty, have I just had my views on those who spout that crap reinforced or what?!! :heh:

Jeezus!

[nickfrog]

anonymous said:

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Mine came as a factory option so can't really compare like for like although I have driven standard set up 986 cars and I own a standard suspension 987.
The std suspension is excellent for road use you know, particularly on UK roads where a bit more compliance helps grip and traction.
I loved the 986 on M030 and 17' though, you could feel it was a more aggressive set up with slighly lowered CoG and less roll. The main benefit is turn in which is sharper with it and that I slightly miss. Having said that if you never had M030 than the std set up is fine. M030 really works with 17 but I am not too sure it would on 18' wheels. Really good on track though for the occasional day where the car was excellent for a road car.

[Furyblade_Lee]

heebeegeeteee, I agree totally about your comments on wheels / tyres. Our 986 Boxster S is on 18's with rubber band Pirelli's and I am not too impressed with it to say the least. When the weather improves I am going to try my mates 17's on it and see what all the fuss is about.

[nickfrog]

£600 is a bargain but there's a bit of labour on top, unless you DIY?
You'll have to do a 4-wheel alignment too, which you could use to make the car even more neutral than standard.
A good operator can advise you how to reach that while staying within factory tolerances. I did that on the 987 by
adding a bit of neg camber at the front etc... The car is 100% neutral now.
As for comfort, you'll still have more in the 986 on M030 than on my standard 987 with 19' bling rasta stupid rims...
Have a browse on boxa.net, you'll find great advice there if needed.

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 9th December 01:20

[Stuart70]

Morning

Thought I would join in on the defence of the lower powered baby Porsche. Having had a 2.7 for 3 - 4 years now, the power is not that high, the (no traction control, no LSD) handling is gorgeous (with and more usually without grip!), and top down blatting around is lovely fun.

Always struggled with the power and absolute speed being the objective - shirley it is all in the journey? Undoubtedly if track days and full on racing is the thing then absolutely power is more useful, but does that not start into Caterham and then single seater territory? Bit extreme for a car that has to double up as the occasional commuter slag as well...

All good fun and looking forward to top down to MB World on Sunday...

[Grendel]

On the colour (Riviera) has anyone ordered this recently - my OPC are quoting £2.5k upcharge on a Cayman R for it.

[nickfrog]

Grendel said:

On the colour (Riviera) has anyone ordered this recently - my OPC are quoting £2.5k upcharge on a Cayman R for it.

Plus it might cost you an other £2.5k in depreciation when you sell. It's a lovely classic Porsche colour (I remember the 968CS in that colour in particular) but I think in the real world not many people would take the risk.

[Carl_Docklands]

nickfrog said:

Grendel said:

On the colour (Riviera) has anyone ordered this recently - my OPC are quoting £2.5k upcharge on a Cayman R for it.

Plus it might cost you an other £2.5k in depreciation when you sell. It's a lovely classic Porsche colour (I remember the 968CS in that colour in particular) but I think in the real world not many people would take the risk.

Mexico and Turquiose blue are less glow in the dark alternatives and look just as good. You will also need yellow ceramics to set the whole thing off nicely

[broker1]

nickfrog said:

broker1 said:

Tomoose85 said:

Its bonkers how cheap these are too - 05s with 80k now creeping under £13k, bloody tempting!!

Yeah until you get a problem.

ONE rear muffler was £1400 OEM from dealer for my Cayman S. I wouldn't own a Porsche without a warranty.

By muffler you refer to the exhaust? I doubt it would be covered by any warranty. Also, how come was this so expensive and what part of it was affected ? Very rarely heard of Boxster exhaust issues.
I assume you used an OPC. Boxster are very cheap to maintain and repair providing you use a reputable indy rather than clueless OPCs. They are similar to a 3-series in terms of part cost and very qualified specialist labour can be bought for £65 / hour.

No by muffler, I refer to the er... muffler. This is just part of the exhaust. You need not doubt if this would be covered by warranty as I can confirm it was. And it saved me nearly £1400. We are talking about a muffler for a Cayman S however not a boxster so maybe a little bit more expensive. Obviously if I hadn't had the warranty then I'd of sunk the cash into a full Capristo set up.

You wouldn't use an indie if you had full coverage from a dealer under warranty but I agree a good indie is probably the way to go if you buy an old one (out of warranty) for casual entertainment. The notion that P-cars are comparible to a 3 series in terms of part cost is, I'm afraid, deeply misleading.

[BRMMA]

anonymous said:

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agree, i had an E46 coupe prior to my 986 S and the Boxster definitely costs a fair bit more to run, their always seems to be something that needs doing to it if i want to keep it in A1 condition

[broker1]

anonymous said:

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[nickfrog]

broker1 said:

nickfrog said:

broker1 said:

Tomoose85 said:

Its bonkers how cheap these are too - 05s with 80k now creeping under £13k, bloody tempting!!

Yeah until you get a problem.

ONE rear muffler was £1400 OEM from dealer for my Cayman S. I wouldn't own a Porsche without a warranty.

By muffler you refer to the exhaust? I doubt it would be covered by any warranty. Also, how come was this so expensive and what part of it was affected ? Very rarely heard of Boxster exhaust issues.
I assume you used an OPC. Boxster are very cheap to maintain and repair providing you use a reputable indy rather than clueless OPCs. They are similar to a 3-series in terms of part cost and very qualified specialist labour can be bought for £65 / hour.

No by muffler, I refer to the er... muffler. This is just part of the exhaust. You need not doubt if this would be covered by warranty as I can confirm it was. And it saved me nearly £1400. We are talking about a muffler for a Cayman S however not a boxster so maybe a little bit more expensive. Obviously if I hadn't had the warranty then I'd of sunk the cash into a full Capristo set up.

You wouldn't use an indie if you had full coverage from a dealer under warranty but I agree a good indie is probably the way to go if you buy an old one (out of warranty) for casual entertainment. The notion that P-cars are comparible to a 3 series in terms of part cost is, I'm afraid, deeply misleading.

By muffler I am sure you refer to silencer or rear box.

Just ordered some OE front discs+pads+sensors today : £175 delivered for my 987 2.7 - For a 330i = £173! (OE) Source = Eurocarparts.
I have been running Boxsters since 2001 as well as a 330i for 4 years as it happens so I have a good idea of real world running costs. They're similar, particularly OE parts. Now if you talk about OPC grossly inflated prices, I can understand. If you enjoy the OPC experience and prices, then fair enough. Many people run Porsches daily without warranty or 3rd party warranties (which are often even more generous than the P used insurance/warranty) and they can use indies or DIY (30 minutes to change the pads). And at least they can fit the battery they want without voiding the warranty. Boxsters/Caymans are very cheap to run properly if you know what you're doing. 330i running costs. In my experience. Nothing misleading. The end.

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 9th December 18:21

[2manycars]

nickfrog said:

I am on my second Boxster (a 2.7 987) and drive it all year round. I just can't believe how good it is to drive. The chassis is simply stunning, as in not better than the S2000, Z4 or SLK chassis, but without exageration, totally in a different league to those. Steering is nothing short of telepathic, damping is incredibly well judged, grip is ridiculous, traction immense, noise incredible. My only crticism is the gaps between gears (5-speed), not helped by the modest torque. Only other issue is 19' wheels robs a bit of feel for very little grip benefit. I paid £15k for a 4 year /45k miles high spec car. Can't think of a better car for that kind of money. I love the fact that those who've never driven one or would not appreciate its dynamic qualities anyway slag it off as it keeps second hand value very low so a big thank you to the idiots who still go on about the "poorman's Porsche" or the "hairdresser's car" type of Clarkson inspired comments. Keep them going please.

I couldn't agree with you more, I've had two 997's (a C2 & C4 Cab) and i've had a 986 and a 987. I can honestly say that i preferred the boxsters to the 911s just because i found them more well balanced and just a lot more fun. A brilliant car (either 986 or 987) for next to nothing.