Why are diesel drivers the ones TRYING to prove things!

[Cost Captain]

g60luke said:

Cost Captain said:

g60luke said:

EDLT said:

Are you sure they aren't just driving normally and its you who's got the issues?

If you consider driving at legal pace on the motorway, with an oil burner licking your back window, then when you pull over they try to blow your doors off, I guess your right, it must be me

If you were displaying correct lane discipline you wouldn't have to move out their way. Therefore you obviously drive like a douche. End of.

Your right enough, I am not worth of going in the outside lane for even a nano second I bow to your greatness humbly
And I suppose it's my fault I stopped at the traffic lights too
I am a poor example of a human being

It's not about being worthy of going in the outside lane, if you aren't overtaking, you shouldn't be in the outside lane. Simple. It would appear I was right about you, you are a douche, and you believe that the lane you are in is dictated on a basis of 'being worthy'.

I commute up and down the M1 so probably encounter as many of these drivers as the rest, and don't find it a problem. Yes it's annoying but they simply want to drive faster than you.

[busta]

phib said:

If it was me and I was in my oil burner ( my motorway car) and it was the Nissan, I would think oh goodness this guy is going to be much slower as he has to drop it down two gears and build up the revs as all I have to do is use the right pedal, at which point you speed up and slow down and are still in my way.

Yeah the revs take ages to build up in those crappy petrols. And as for changing down 2 gears! Changing down one takes long enough, but 2?! He'll be there for weeks. Best you put the kettle on.

Surely all you are pointing out here is the difference between an automatic and a manual? Or does your auto not kick-down if you boot it at 70mph?

[sebhaque]

I'd love to see a vehicle slower than my diesel Frontera. Chances are if it's as slow as it is then the person behind the wheel won't/can't have anything to prove.

[phib]

busta said:

phib said:

If it was me and I was in my oil burner ( my motorway car) and it was the Nissan, I would think oh goodness this guy is going to be much slower as he has to drop it down two gears and build up the revs as all I have to do is use the right pedal, at which point you speed up and slow down and are still in my way.

Yeah the revs take ages to build up in those crappy petrols. And as for changing down 2 gears! Changing down one takes long enough, but 2?! He'll be there for weeks. Best you put the kettle on.

Surely all you are pointing out here is the difference between an automatic and a manual? Or does your auto not kick-down if you boot it at 70mph?

Please don't think I love my oil burner !!! ( its a means to an end) but .... At motorway cruising speed my particular car seems to be on the sweetspot from say 75- 90 ( in Germany ) it doesn't need to change down and the turbo is instant and off we go. I am sure that some one can explain it much better.

However in 370 z I had all you do is spend your time changing gears to find power due the gearing ( its the same with my 355 and granturismo and that was an auto) mainly I suspect it is down to peak power at higher revs

Hope that makes some sense

Phib

[y2blade]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Where's the OP gone?

school?

[liner33]

I drive my VAG diesel like my hair is on fire most of the time, might as well it still does 40+ to the gallon, I drive much more steady in my Evo even though it has twice the power as it uses more than twice the fuel and filling it every 160 miles is a chore.

Oh and 400hp in a MK1 Golf and only a 12.8 LMAO!!

[DannyVTS]

CampDavid said:

Carrot said:

No matter what I am driving, I don't seem to recall anyone "taking me on" - am I doing something wrong?

Do I need to "step up to the street" or "have a dance off" or something?

I used to get it with a Saxo VTS which had a silly exhaust on when I bought it. Mostly from other young bods though.

Seems to be a daily occurance in VTS ownership

[KaraK]

FFS is this still rumbling on? The OP posted the whole trolling thread to get a rise out of diesel owners, he succeeded, he admitted what he was doing. Can't we just lock the thread already? Its not achieving anything. If threads like the "PH request for help" make me proud to be a PH-er then threads like this do the opposite. What a waste.

[hombrepaulo]

Summary
Diesel owners = Tight
Lock

[y2blade]

hombrepaulo said:

Summary
Diesel owners = Tight
Lock

how rude! .......

........well I am half-Scots, so you are probably right

[Spoof]

blueg33 said:

renorti said:

do Lamborghini make a diesel car?
what fuel do farmers use in their tractors?

there's your answers.

Lambo are made by VAG and they have looked at diesel, which has also been considered for the R8. I am sure i read somewhere that they held the R8 diesel because it was quicker than the V10 (but that could be my imagination)

Diesel cars have won Le Mans for the last few years, and their lap times are up there with petrol cars.

Diesel cars have/do win Le Mans because the rules are a touch biased in favor of the devils fuel at the moment. cc for cc, it would be quite a different story.

I have no objection to either fuel though, the TDV8 RR is a fantastic vehicle, Even the modern 170 TDi VAG engines are pretty peachy, they lack any major excitement but they do the job.
I suspect, now a lot of research is going in to small capacity turbo petrols, diesel may find it's hit a dead end with respect to any major advances.

[plfrench]

^^^ I do hope you're right about petrol development taking more of a front seat in the coming future. The last twenty years has seen Diesel take massive strides in terms of specific power, but I'd still love to see some non-Diesel entries on my company car list once more... Fingers crossed

[busta]

The only downside to the petrol development is that they are becoming more like the diesels- turbocharged with small turbos giving lots of low end grunt but lacking the top end to finish the job off.

[traffman]

I have completely forgotten what this post was about.

[Marvin Hagler]

Herman Toothrot said:

scottishninja2 said:

I hate to agree with the original poster, but yes, i often find the people driving like tits on the road (seemingly wanting to prove themselves) are driving a VAG diesel.

However i also agree that this is probably just because they are company cars with no fuel concerns.

Stephen

I'd been driving a 2010 2.0 TDI Passat the last 3 weeks and can understand why people may feel that they can put the foot down and that their cars are fast as the change in pace does make the cars feel fast - its just that they are not. The human body isn't good at measuring speed, sitting in the passenger seat of a VAG 2.0TDi I'm sure most people if unable to see the speedo would think them faster than petrol n/a cars that are a full 3 or 4 seconds faster to 60mph. Doing an actual measure, say cruising at 30mph to a specific point, booting it to the next specific point and then looking at the speedo is a good indicator. The Passat for example when booted over the same distance as my VX220 will read about 20mph slower terminal speed, if feels faster though.

'it feels faster though': Isn't this what driving on a road is about? Surely you want to enjoy the feeling of the car? Ok your VX220 is a faster car, but if the diesel gives your body the best sensation then thats what matters on the road. Sure, if you were on a racetrack and lap times were important you would want to drive the VX220.

I like diesels because they 'feel' fast, some actually are fast, and their economy is brilliant.

[renorti]

This sums the debate up nicely

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6863749/




excellent video on petrol versus Denzil debate.

[OllieC]

renorti said:

This sums the debate up nicely

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6863749/




excellent video on petrol versus Denzil debate.

excellent

[Herman Toothrot]

Marvin Hagler said:

Herman Toothrot said:

scottishninja2 said:

I hate to agree with the original poster, but yes, i often find the people driving like tits on the road (seemingly wanting to prove themselves) are driving a VAG diesel.

However i also agree that this is probably just because they are company cars with no fuel concerns.

Stephen

I'd been driving a 2010 2.0 TDI Passat the last 3 weeks and can understand why people may feel that they can put the foot down and that their cars are fast as the change in pace does make the cars feel fast - its just that they are not. The human body isn't good at measuring speed, sitting in the passenger seat of a VAG 2.0TDi I'm sure most people if unable to see the speedo would think them faster than petrol n/a cars that are a full 3 or 4 seconds faster to 60mph. Doing an actual measure, say cruising at 30mph to a specific point, booting it to the next specific point and then looking at the speedo is a good indicator. The Passat for example when booted over the same distance as my VX220 will read about 20mph slower terminal speed, if feels faster though.

'it feels faster though': Isn't this what driving on a road is about? Surely you want to enjoy the feeling of the car? Ok your VX220 is a faster car, but if the diesel gives your body the best sensation then thats what matters on the road. Sure, if you were on a racetrack and lap times were important you would want to drive the VX220.

I like diesels because they 'feel' fast, some actually are fast, and their economy is brilliant.

Acceleration is only part of the driving experience though. You are right though, many diesels will feel faster and some like a x35d BMW etc are than many petrols.

I would buy a diesel if a) I did a lot of miles combined with b) I needed to do those miles in a large car.

As I only do about 9,000 a year my VX220 is more than economical enough as my main transport, it returns 31mpg doing my commute.

If I used my A6 to do my commute then it would get to expensive to justify as it manages 21mpg doing the same journey. The A6 only gets used on really stty days to go to work, to do the shopping, taking the dogs anywhere on the weekend, maybe 4000 a year so a diesel would be largely pointless. The A6 feeling of acceleration if you stamp on the throttle at 50mph is just as impressive as the diesels it being a 2700cc Petrol turbo with 230lbs torque between 1700rpm and 4800rpm, it also gets warm very quickly which is nice in the winter, something I found really annoying in the 2.0tdi Passat - it took ages.

[anonymous-user]

This, i think, sums up the debate nicely:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6863749/















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