RE: Driven: BBR Mazda MX-5 Anniversary Edition
Discussion
hornetrider said:
Adam Towler said:
hornetrider said:
Adam Towler said:
hornetrider said:
Numbskulls!!!!
Did you go to BBR and not drive the st hot off the press newly Cosworth supercharged Mk3???? ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I did drive it and there will be a review on here soon.Did you go to BBR and not drive the st hot off the press newly Cosworth supercharged Mk3???? ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
It was an interesting car though - totally different in character/delivery to the above, but very impressive.
Can I borrow the car for the weekend PLEASE? :-P....Sooooo much better than my Micra :-). Seriously though, I love this car. For £8000 you get in my opinion possibly the best looking MX5's, and then rebuilt to your specification. Just got to save up for it... This may take a while :-)
dapprman said:
If you got traction and it has the original gear ratios and diff then 0-60 will probably be in ~5.5 seconds (assuming the 221 BHP - which as I mentioned above I believe to be total BS). With a 'real' 180 BHP at the fly you hit the red line rev limiter at ~ 125 mph on the 1.6 (can't remember the exact top end but I did work it our once using diff, gear ration and max revs).
Thanks but I'm referring to the 2 litre Mk3 with Supercharger dapprman said:
The original 1.6 can happily cope with 230 BHP (fly), which is about 14-15 psi, the original 1.8, around 240. After that you start having to look at internal mods (i.e. where it gets expensive).
~270bhp on standard internals is the commonly accepted figure these days, above that the rods start getting bendy.Edited by GravelBen on Friday 17th December 21:37
dapprman said:
With a 'real' 180 BHP at the fly you hit the red line rev limiter at ~ 125 mph on the 1.6 (can't remember the exact top end but I did work it our once using diff, gear ration and max revs).
The gearing limit of the early 1.6 is ~139mph according to the calculator here: http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/gearing.php
I seem to remember reaching a figure of ~136mph from my own calculation - my speedo still pegs itself at 180km/h while the revs keep winding out so I can't tell you what its reading at that point, but with 255rwhp(according to previous owner, never dynoed it myself) it doesn't take too long to get there. (on a racetrack obviously occifer)
GravelBen said:
dapprman said:
With a 'real' 180 BHP at the fly you hit the red line rev limiter at ~ 125 mph on the 1.6 (can't remember the exact top end but I did work it our once using diff, gear ration and max revs).
The gearing limit of the early 1.6 is ~139mph according to the calculator here: http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/gearing.php
I seem to remember reaching a figure of ~136mph from my own calculation - my speedo still pegs itself at 180km/h while the revs keep winding out so I can't tell you what its reading at that point, but with 255rwhp(according to previous owner, never dynoed it myself) it doesn't take too long to get there. (on a racetrack obviously occifer)
As to your power - trying to remember whether you Kiwis calculate it the same way as we Brits and the Aussies, or if it's the same way as the Yanks - if the latter then sounds possible to me with a modern ECU and a tight setup - not that you care, because as you pointed out it goes like stink and you love it and that's the key point.
Update : I got the tyre size wrong in the calculator, it now says 145.9 MPH and that does sound far too high - might have a google because if we discussed it on the original mx-5 email list then it should be archived.
Edited by dapprman on Saturday 18th December 01:30
Try running the calculator with the 4.3 rear end and 195/50R15. I've heard that the factory rev-limit kicks in a bit lower than the indicated 7200rpm too.
Its running a TD04h-15g, Link, 550cc injectors, GTX rods but otherwise standard internals with a bit of head and cam work. Claimed 235rwhp on 12psi and 255rwhp on 15psi which seems believable enough compared to similar builds.
Either way I generally manage to have fun.
dapprman said:
As to your power - trying to remember whether you Kiwis calculate it the same way as we Brits and the Aussies, or if it's the same way as the Yanks - if the latter then sounds possible to me with a modern ECU and a tight setup - not that you care, because as you pointed out it goes like stink and you love it and that's the key point.
Should be the same way as you lot I think - would it even make a difference when quoting power at the wheels?Its running a TD04h-15g, Link, 550cc injectors, GTX rods but otherwise standard internals with a bit of head and cam work. Claimed 235rwhp on 12psi and 255rwhp on 15psi which seems believable enough compared to similar builds.
Either way I generally manage to have fun.
Edited by GravelBen on Saturday 18th December 02:03
youngsyr said:
£8K is still top money for a re-painted, 15+ year old car, with fancy seat covers and a turbo bolted on.
Hardly, consider the prices to get it done elsewhere!Strip down respray: c2k,
New turbo kit and fitting: c2k,
Full two-seat re-trim in leather: c1k,
Classic sports car with two year warranty: easily 5k minimum!
Sounds like a bargain to me.
dapprman said:
dinkel said:
Snoggledog said:
ragezx14r said:
Have a chat with sidewaysste225 sounds like a healthy bit for serious action: 0-60 in what? 911 territory?
Steve's 1.6 made 260ish, but I don't think he had bored it out. It was just very good tuning using the Tec3r and some other bits like a Vishnu fuel rail to stop cylinder 4 running lean.
He later replaced the 1.6 with a FM stroked engine. Details here http://www.slowmx5.com/
Like you I don't believe power claims and moved away from the scene a few years ago.
0-60 is limited by traction - 5 - 6 seconds depending on grip. The real fun is to be had in gear.
TheOrangePeril said:
youngsyr said:
£8K is still top money for a re-painted, 15+ year old car, with fancy seat covers and a turbo bolted on.
Hardly, consider the prices to get it done elsewhere!Strip down respray: c2k,
New turbo kit and fitting: c2k,
Full two-seat re-trim in leather: c1k,
Classic sports car with two year warranty: easily 5k minimum!
Sounds like a bargain to me.
Benjc said:
dapprman said:
dinkel said:
Snoggledog said:
ragezx14r said:
Have a chat with sidewaysste225 sounds like a healthy bit for serious action: 0-60 in what? 911 territory?
Steve's 1.6 made 260ish, but I don't think he had bored it out. It was just very good tuning using the Tec3r and some other bits like a Vishnu fuel rail to stop cylinder 4 running lean.
He later replaced the 1.6 with a FM stroked engine. Details here http://www.slowmx5.com/
Like you I don't believe power claims and moved away from the scene a few years ago.
0-60 is limited by traction - 5 - 6 seconds depending on grip. The real fun is to be had in gear.
It is good to read that BBR is coming again.
I have some questions:
What about polution?
EU has very strick rules about this.
About the drivetrain:
Mazda Motor company said OK to the original BBR model.
Is this still the case?
The drive train on NA is not so strong as the latter and I have heard about NA's which broke down when they had +200 hk.
I have some questions:
What about polution?
EU has very strick rules about this.
About the drivetrain:
Mazda Motor company said OK to the original BBR model.
Is this still the case?
The drive train on NA is not so strong as the latter and I have heard about NA's which broke down when they had +200 hk.
I had a old school BBR...
The spec was, Link ECU, Custom front mount intercooler, FM exhaust, De cat, 440cc injectors, dual feed fuel rail. OEM BBR manifold, intake and turbo.
It made 228bhp at the the fly @ 11.8psi.
Later when I ran it at 15 psi it made 247bhp at the fly.
When it was at 8psi it made 197bhp.
I cannot see how BBR have gotten 221bhp @ 8.5psi....
The spec was, Link ECU, Custom front mount intercooler, FM exhaust, De cat, 440cc injectors, dual feed fuel rail. OEM BBR manifold, intake and turbo.
It made 228bhp at the the fly @ 11.8psi.
Later when I ran it at 15 psi it made 247bhp at the fly.
When it was at 8psi it made 197bhp.
I cannot see how BBR have gotten 221bhp @ 8.5psi....
GravelBen your car looks very cool
For me BBR offers something unique in refreshing the whole car unlike every other tuning garage which offer a small selection of ill-informed branded upgrades which rarely works together as a complete package.
One day i will scratch my mx5 itch for sure
For me BBR offers something unique in refreshing the whole car unlike every other tuning garage which offer a small selection of ill-informed branded upgrades which rarely works together as a complete package.
One day i will scratch my mx5 itch for sure
papercup said:
Quite...You can do it for half that in my end of the world :P
Really really tempted to go down that route. I would like 400BHP+ from my car. I think the V8 conversion would be cheaper than persuing the turbo route. I know 2 people that have done it, one car is up and running and is regularly used on track. The other is an almost finished race only car. Seriously seriously fast cars and incredibly well balanced. We shall see...
I love all the 'You could...' replys. Yes you could have more power, yes you could get a different car, but this is about an amazing balance of a great car with power and a great fan base. I would love one if I could afford it. And lets face it, there are people who spend far more than that modding a £1000 corsa or Saxo! I remember watching an old Fifth Gear episode where a guy had spend £25,000 on his little hatch back!
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