For those that undertake, is it....

[300bhp/ton]

louiebaby said:

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

Or, a car dives into the left lane at speed, accelerates to 90mph undertakes before swerving back across in front of you causing you to take avoidance action

[Marf]

Balmoral Green said:

Neither, it's just cause & effect.

Bingo.

[Great Pretender]

Buggles said:

VladD said:

Ditto for me. Lane discipline is shocking in this country. It used to wind me up massively and I would to try and get the offenders to move over, but now I just pass them and let them get on with it.

Exactly this, I get bored with getting the coffee beans now for having the audacity to perhaps give people a wee flash to let them now that they aren't the only vehicle on the carriageway. Much easier and less stressful to cruise past in Lane 1.

Edited by Buggles on Monday 10th January 14:28

And another here.

OP's trolling notwithstanding, I too have gotten tired of sitting patiently behind people, resorting to a flash of the lights, only for them to stick resolutely to the outside or middle lane with not a care in the world. Once I'm level with their o/s, I'll usually have a quick look over to assert myself that they're still blissfully unaware of my presence and make the pass.

[Chris_w666]

300bhp/ton said:

louiebaby said:

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

Or, a car dives into the left lane at speed, accelerates to 90mph undertakes before swerving back across in front of you causing you to take avoidance action

If he passed you doing 90 I assume you were going slower, with an empty left hand lane. So why not move over? Oh and why would you have to avoid a car accelerating away from you?

[DrTre]

If people are being cut up left right and centre enough to whine about it, look to your own driving as that appears to be the common denominator.

[300bhp/ton]

RobM77 said:

300bhp/ton said:

RobM77 said:

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow, and it's subtley changed my driving, and I can now appreciate an understand things that used to annoy me. With regard to undertaking, if I come off a roundabout at 60mph (same speed as in my Elise) and accelerate to 70, what am I supposed to do about someone in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway doing 50mph? In the Elise and my previous daily driver (Z4 Coupé) I would slow to 50 behind them, patiently wait for them to move, then squirt up to 70 again, move back to lane 1, thank them, and move on my way; but now that I've got such little power I'm afraid to say that I take the cheaper and less arduous option and just drive past (if safe) at 70... I would only do this if there was a lane between us though, or a very wide road with lots of room. It is annoying though if you're in something slow! Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

Thanks Rob, but I've got and driven plenty of slower cars.

I guess the situation I'm meaning isn't a deserted dual carriage way with only you and one other car on it. I suspect for most, this is a rare or never occurrence.

I mean more like driving a 100 miles on a motorway, using cruise control and having tts weaving in and out from all directions cutting you up.

In one instance the other week, I'm in the middle lane, easily running at higher speed than the vehicles on my left and running at a slower speed to the vehicles on my right.

A car comes up behind and tailgates me (despite there being a car on my left, so I had nowhere to go). They could have overtaken on my right though as the traffic was light enough to easily pull out.

I pass the car on my left, check the mirror and make to pull into the left lane, but before I can do so, the idiot behind speeds up and dives into the left lane (causing me to have a wobble on the steering wheel while I don't drive into them, despite me indicating to pull into the left lane).

However it doesn't end here, there was still traffic in the left lane, traffic which was going slower than me. This idiot manages to pull just about level with me/ half a length a ahead before they have to slow down due to the slower traffic. So I stick on cruise control and continue to overtake the slower traffic that is in the left lane, as the car behind me. Eventually the idiot pulls back out to the middle lane and then after all this faffing and dangerous driving do they decide to pull into the right lane. By this time I've passed the other slower traffic and I'm now happily sitting in the left hand lane on cruise control at the same speed still. They eventually pass me with an empty middle lane between us....

I'm totally with you on that.

With regard to my post though, I do spend a fair amount of time on fairly empty dual carriageways at night, and frequently get the situation that I described. Often if you slow to their speed and follow them, they refuse to move over anyway, so there's nothing gained!

In such situations then I suspect I'd concur

[Chris_w666]

DrTre said:

If people are being cut up left right and centre enough to whine about it, look to your own driving as that appears to be the common denominator.

What are you suggesting? That the OP may have been travelling in the incorrect lane?

Such admissions of personal responsibility will never catch on.

[300bhp/ton]

DannyVTS said:

how?

[swanny71]

adycav said:

What about a "stuck for miles behind tt who won't move despite numerous friendly/less friendly flashes" option?

This. So fk 'em, I'll undertake as safely as possible.

[Gun]

I just won't 'undertake' anyone on the road, after watching numerous traffic cop style programmes you see far more people being pulled for that than holding up the traffic in the outer lanes.

I got held up this morning going from the M23 to the M25 heading towards Heathrow (that stretch of road seems to be particularly bad for outer lane crawlers). Approaching Reigate there was a line of traffic going 70-odd in lane 5, lane 1 had a few lorries but 2, 3 and 4 were virtually empty so just slotted into the traffic in lane 2 which was easily keeping up with lane 5 and let them sort them selves out, took a while mind!

I think they should allow you to pass on the left as long as there's an empty lane between you and the tt in the wrong lane.

[VladD]

300bhp/ton said:

DannyVTS said:

how?

I think your experiance is different to most and that perhaps you should have expalined it better in the initial post. In your case, the guy was driving like a tosser and you can be justifiably annoyed, however in most cases those of us who pass on the left do it because we either a) Can't get past on the right because the other driver is occupying the right most lane or b) Can't be arsed to pull out of lane 1 to pass motorsists who refuse to use it themselves.

[off_again]

I dont undertake - nothing to do with me being all high and mighty... more down to the pure simplicity of my luck. The day I will do it is the day I do it in front of a police officer and I get bloody done for it.

Happened with so many other things that I have "tried" and got busted for. Not worth it and will let someone else take the glory and rewards.

[300bhp/ton]

VladD said:

300bhp/ton said:

DannyVTS said:

how?

I think your experiance is different to most and that perhaps you should have expalined it better in the initial post. In your case, the guy was driving like a tosser and you can be justifiably annoyed, however in most cases those of us who pass on the left do it because we either a) Can't get past on the right because the other driver is occupying the right most lane or b) Can't be arsed to pull out of lane 1 to pass motorsists who refuse to use it themselves.

weaving, and undertaking is not an isolated case.

And so far, this poll, 44 voters, 95% self proclaimed as arrogant. Don't see how this is a backfired thread as it's answered exactly what it asked, and the responses in general, well 95% of them would seem to fully justify the stats being produced

[Great Pretender]

300bhp/ton said:

VladD said:

300bhp/ton said:

DannyVTS said:

how?

I think your experiance is different to most and that perhaps you should have expalined it better in the initial post. In your case, the guy was driving like a tosser and you can be justifiably annoyed, however in most cases those of us who pass on the left do it because we either a) Can't get past on the right because the other driver is occupying the right most lane or b) Can't be arsed to pull out of lane 1 to pass motorsists who refuse to use it themselves.

weaving, and undertaking is not an isolated case.

And so far, this poll, 44 voters, 95% self proclaimed as arrogant. Don't see how this is a backfired thread as it's answered exactly what it asked, and the responses in general, well 95% of them would seem to fully justify the stats being produced

Only because you've steered it that way.

[VladD]

300bhp/ton said:

VladD said:

300bhp/ton said:

DannyVTS said:

how?

I think your experiance is different to most and that perhaps you should have expalined it better in the initial post. In your case, the guy was driving like a tosser and you can be justifiably annoyed, however in most cases those of us who pass on the left do it because we either a) Can't get past on the right because the other driver is occupying the right most lane or b) Can't be arsed to pull out of lane 1 to pass motorsists who refuse to use it themselves.

weaving, and undertaking is not an isolated case.

And so far, this poll, 44 voters, 95% self proclaimed as arrogant. Don't see how this is a backfired thread as it's answered exactly what it asked, and the responses in general, well 95% of them would seem to fully justify the stats being produced

Indeed it's not isolated and I wasn't suggesting that it was, however I overtake on the left a lot because of the reasons mentioned above, but I don't weave about like a tt. All I was trying to point out was that your initial post was badly worded and didn't explain clearly what you were trying to say. I answered "arrogant" by the way because that's what most people were going to answer when given such a limited choice and a thread which on the face of it appears to be pure trolling.

Start a new pole as follows and you'll get similar result.

What are you having for dinner tonight.

a) A st sandwich?

b) Kylie Minogue?

Edited by VladD on Monday 10th January 15:24

[madala]

adycav said:

Worst poll ever.

What about a "stuck for miles behind tt who won't move despite numerous friendly/less friendly flashes" option?

....that....

[peeves]

Then move the fk out the way...

[tbdgriff500]

biggest problem for me is when towing, not allowed in lane 3 so it's sit behind said donut or pass on the left. it takes a lot of time to accelerate while towing so the decision is made early to keep momentum especially approaching a hill,also this sat morning(not towing) heading up A20 3 miles following a line of 5 cars sat behind a clio doing 70mph nothing in lane 1&2, much patience shown by all 5 cars, eventually passing on the left one after the other, when i got level after waiting patiently for a while, looked right to see five people merrily having what looked like a little party including the driver swigging on a bottle of drink passenger facing backwards no seatbelt bopping to the beat, i bibbed and showed my frustration, completley ignored and just carried on in the outside lane. i was absolutley gobsmacked!!

Edited by tbdgriff500 on Monday 10th January 16:06

[The Wookie]

300bhp you weren't one of those total tits last tuesday or wednesday evening sitting in the middle or outside lanes, cruising along, not overtaking, creating clumps of traffic every 4 or 5 miles at well below the NSL on an otherwise clear and quiet A23/M23 were you? If so, I 'undertook' you and I hate you.

[300bhp/ton]

Chris_w666 said:

300bhp/ton said:

louiebaby said:

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

Or, a car dives into the left lane at speed, accelerates to 90mph undertakes before swerving back across in front of you causing you to take avoidance action

If he passed you doing 90 I assume you were going slower, with an empty left hand lane. So why not move over? Oh and why would you have to avoid a car accelerating away from you?

Umm because I was over taking a vehicle too and would have also had to slow if I pulled over. And avoiding them was due to them trying the change lanes due to the slower vehicle now in thief lane and there not really being enough room.