For those that undertake, is it....

[Vipers]

Wills2 said:

in the US and you can also turn right at a stop light (after stopping), the same way we should be able to turn left at a stop light but can't.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 10th January 20:46

Yes you can, and the roads are designed for that, ie the layout at junctions, at least those I came across did, maybe not all.

But the amount of bad drivers here, who can negotiate a slip road, or roundabout, I dare say would just cock it up being able to turn left at a red.

Personally I enjoyed driving both in Canada and the States, never saw any flashing lights, horn, or hand gestures either. And I did like the multiple occupancy lanes.

[JonnyFive]

champ54321 said:

Becuase of the dick heads who dont understand that you should keep to the left unless overtaking

I've educated a few of the wasters.. Either when I've got past in L1 after waiting for them to move into the lane.. Nothing.. Go past.. You'll notice shortly after they realise what's going on and move over.

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

[Vipers]

JonnyFive said:

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

And then again, you get the dick heads who just stay in L2........... I gave up on an empty motorway one, tried to pass the only car on the road doing 60, guess what lane, yup L3.

Tried flashing headlights, nowt, finally moved over to L1 to be as far as away from him, and carried on, as he disapeared in the distance, he was still in L3, UK reg car as well, not new, so don't think it was visitor in a hired job either.

[Alex@POD]

JonnyFive said:

champ54321 said:

Becuase of the dick heads who dont understand that you should keep to the left unless overtaking

I've educated a few of the wasters.. Either when I've got past in L1 after waiting for them to move into the lane.. Nothing.. Go past.. You'll notice shortly after they realise what's going on and move over.

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

Didn't someone on here get pulled over for "weaving" doing just that? Then got told it was safer to pass in lane 1?

[Engineer1]

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

No but if someone can pass you on the inside there was enough gap as proven by the fact the car passed through that gap.

[300bhp/ton]

Engineer1 said:

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

No but if someone can pass you on the inside there was enough gap as proven by the fact the car passed through that gap.

What a load of rubbish!

This is not the case all or everytime.

Often there is only room to undertake due to the person undertaking using excessive speed and dangerous driving.

ie

Car 'x' is happily gaining and over taking a slower car on the left, to pull in would also mean to slow down and brake, so car 'x' has the same legal right to over take as yobbo car 'y' behind.

Yobbo idiot decides to undertake by excessively exceeding the speed limit or driving conditions often resulting in swerving back out in front of car 'x' making it either uncomfortable or requiring avoidance action to prevent an RTA.

[Wills2]

300bhp/ton said:

Engineer1 said:

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

No but if someone can pass you on the inside there was enough gap as proven by the fact the car passed through that gap.

What a load of rubbish!

This is not the case all or everytime.

Often there is only room to undertake due to the person undertaking using excessive speed and dangerous driving.

ie

Car 'x' is happily gaining and over taking a slower car on the left, to pull in would also mean to slow down and brake, so car 'x' has the same legal right to over take as yobbo car 'y' behind.

Yobbo idiot decides to undertake by excessively exceeding the speed limit or driving conditions often resulting in swerving back out in front of car 'x' making it either uncomfortable or requiring avoidance action to prevent an RTA.

But are people condoning that kind of driving? I'm not sure they are, if the car in front is clearly overtaking another vehicle some way ahead in lane one then you should wait until the car has passed and then it will hopefully move into the left...

I think we are taking about the situations where there is nothing ahead and someone is driving in the outside lane, probably unaware that they should be moving over to the left at the earliest opportunity.

Well I am anyway.

[joe_90]

This is a dual carriageway coming out of swindon.. Its quite long. Idiots get in the right lane at the start of my red lines to turn right onto the m4 !!!

4 out of 5 days a week, some idiot will be at in the outside lane refusing to move over.. I do and will continue to undertake (then 90% of the time) sit in the left lane all the way to the roundabout.




/edit.

We (When I came in with a mate to work) used to go down the 'slow' lane at 70 counting the cars in the middle. We recorded this for 3 or 4 months.

The record was 25 cars in the middle once for no reason, every day we could undertake (legally) the minimum of 5 cars without fail). On a Sunday or before a bank holiday it was x100 worse.

Edited by joe_90 on Tuesday 11th January 09:10

[ph123]

Undertaking is perhaps a better solution.
It takes two to tailgate.
Why can't modern man accept ...
getting out of the way, as a matter of good manners,
particularly on our cramped, intense, outdated little road network.
Undertaking can be performed perfectly safely.

[anonymous-user]

300bhp/ton said:

Engineer1 said:

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

No but if someone can pass you on the inside there was enough gap as proven by the fact the car passed through that gap.

What a load of rubbish!

This is not the case all or everytime.

Often there is only room to undertake due to the person undertaking using excessive speed and dangerous driving.

ie

Car 'x' is happily gaining and over taking a slower car on the left, to pull in would also mean to slow down and brake, so car 'x' has the same legal right to over take as yobbo car 'y' behind.

Yobbo idiot decides to undertake by excessively exceeding the speed limit or driving conditions often resulting in swerving back out in front of car 'x' making it either uncomfortable or requiring avoidance action to prevent an RTA.

I am puzzled by your post 300/ton? You are ranting about very obvious dangerous driving, your example of cars x and y is fine, so long as car x is travelling at an appropriate speed and is ACTUALLY overtaking cars and not just sitting in the middle lane crawling along to the next car half a mile down the motorway in lane 1, and car Y was not speeding as has already been said, no one on here is suggesting you should be forced out of your lane at all, that is where the list of offences begins when undertaking as I and others have already pointed out.
I think Engineer1 is bang on the money, if you don't like it then stay on the left, especially if you think you are not capable of driving at 70mph on a motorway.
Your final paragraph sums up the actual offence of undertaking and not what I or others are posting about in regards to legally passing morons in the middle lane driving at a lower speed that the limit when the left lane is free, there is nothing illegal in staying in your lane and driving to the limits presribed by law.Try to remember that you are breaking the law by failing to return to the left lane after passing a vehicle if the next vehicle is half a mile down the carraigeway, that is just as selfish and idiotic as your "yobbo" driver in car y.
Driving with ignorance is just as moronic as knowingly breaking the law and for me is actually more dangerous.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th January 09:39

[HundredthIdiot]

It's only undertaking when you pull back out.

Simple criteria for barely-acceptable undertaking: if you can safely undertake the entire queue, and get past the muppet at the front.

If not, you're pulling out into a queue of cars which are probably already at the lower limit of safe separation, which is completely retarded.

And that's excluding the "don't surprise people" principle of safe driving, which applies to all undertaking.

In any case, everyone knows what a dangerous undertake looks like.

[JonnyFive]

Alex@POD said:

JonnyFive said:

champ54321 said:

Becuase of the dick heads who dont understand that you should keep to the left unless overtaking

I've educated a few of the wasters.. Either when I've got past in L1 after waiting for them to move into the lane.. Nothing.. Go past.. You'll notice shortly after they realise what's going on and move over.

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

Didn't someone on here get pulled over for "weaving" doing just that? Then got told it was safer to pass in lane 1?

Well.. It was that Ry_B person and we know what he was like..

[anonymous-user]

JonnyFive said:

Alex@POD said:

JonnyFive said:

champ54321 said:

Becuase of the dick heads who dont understand that you should keep to the left unless overtaking

I've educated a few of the wasters.. Either when I've got past in L1 after waiting for them to move into the lane.. Nothing.. Go past.. You'll notice shortly after they realise what's going on and move over.

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

Didn't someone on here get pulled over for "weaving" doing just that? Then got told it was safer to pass in lane 1?

Well.. It was that Ry_B person and we know what he was like..

You would have to be driving the Millenium Falcon to undertake Ry_B due to the top speed of his Type-R, even then it would be hard to borrow it as Hands-Solo is his best friend, oh sorry I mean't Hans Solo, Hands-Solo is what he does on his spare time between homework and mummy cooking his dinner

[Marf]

Also interested to hear what 300's definition of undertaking is?

Surprised at his attitude really. Given his love of Yank tanks I'm surprised he isnt all for overtaking in both lanes like our colonial cousins are allowed to do.

If I can make better progress by moving into L1 or L2 then I will.

Past the point of getting frustrated by people sticking to an indicated 70 in the outside lane.

Edited by Marf on Tuesday 11th January 09:52

[FamilyDub]

I will undertake as last resort, but only five frustrating minutes of sitting at 60-something behind some shopping car drive who militantly sticks to L3, whilst at least one other lane is free.

It's like people have a mental block that traffic moving at < 60mph must be L1, 60-70 must be L2, irrespective of actual traffic volume/conditions.

Edited by FamilyDub on Tuesday 11th January 10:17

[Vipers]

Interesting the number of posts referring to the "Slow lane", and the "Fast lane",

[Johnnytheboy]

STW2010 said:

If tts weren't in the outside lane when not overtaking then there would be no need to ever undertake.

If people drove properly then undertaking shouldn't be possible

+1, beat me to it.

I've no liking for the sneaky undertakers, i.e. If I get into L2 behind a vehicle going slower than I would like who is also overtaking something even slower in L1, then I shouldn't be undertaken.

But If I could and should be in L1 then I deserve to be undertaken.

[Alex@POD]

JonnyFive said:

Alex@POD said:

JonnyFive said:

champ54321 said:

Becuase of the dick heads who dont understand that you should keep to the left unless overtaking

I've educated a few of the wasters.. Either when I've got past in L1 after waiting for them to move into the lane.. Nothing.. Go past.. You'll notice shortly after they realise what's going on and move over.

Or an empty motorway, come up in L1.. Indicate and go out to L3 and back to L1. They sometimes notice you've gone out and round and think to move over.

Didn't someone on here get pulled over for "weaving" doing just that? Then got told it was safer to pass in lane 1?

Well.. It was that Ry_B person and we know what he was like..

Fair enough, I remembered the post, not the poster...

[djon]

VladD said:

OP, I was travelling up the M5 last night and got to a hill where it goes into 4 lanes. I was in lane 1 doing 85 and there was a Peugeot 206 in lane 3 doing around 70 I'd guess. I stayed in lane 1 and carried on. Why should I have to pull three lanes right to pass a car and then pull three left again just because they don't know how to driver properly?

Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.

Edited by VladD on Monday 10th January 13:23

Well said!

[rb5230]

Lane 1 is for driving in, lane 2 is for overtaking lane 1, lane 3 is for overtaking lane 2 and lane 4 where it exists is for overtaking lane 3.

If everyone stuck to this simple instruction which should be in driving tests then the world would be a much less annoying place and the roads would be less congested.