For those that undertake, is it....
Poll: For those that undertake, is it....
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Discussion
djon said:
VladD said:
OP, I was travelling up the M5 last night and got to a hill where it goes into 4 lanes. I was in lane 1 doing 85 and there was a Peugeot 206 in lane 3 doing around 70 I'd guess. I stayed in lane 1 and carried on. Why should I have to pull three lanes right to pass a car and then pull three left again just because they don't know how to driver properly?
Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Well said!Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th January 13:23
Well done on speeding fella, you must be the best driver on here, especially for admitting it.
I guess you think you are ok so long as you are in lane one and no one gets in your way as you drive dangerously. Nice one fella. Crack on like that and maybe you will be using the undertakers you mentioned, hopefully on your own and not with any of my family that happen to be on a road near you. Stay Lucky.....................
Oh and anyone that fancies flaming me for saying 85 is ok, it isn't and never will be on UK motorways. The myth of raising speed limits will never happen due to the many issues you read on here, middle laning, 55mph car drivers, lane disipline and traffic levels. As a whole the british way of doing things would make it too dangerous, a limit like that would only ever work on something like a toll road leaving "local" traffic with another route.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
djon said:
VladD said:
OP, I was travelling up the M5 last night and got to a hill where it goes into 4 lanes. I was in lane 1 doing 85 and there was a Peugeot 206 in lane 3 doing around 70 I'd guess. I stayed in lane 1 and carried on. Why should I have to pull three lanes right to pass a car and then pull three left again just because they don't know how to driver properly?
Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Well said!Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Edited by VladD on Monday 10th January 13:23
Well done on speeding fella, you must be the best driver on here, especially for admitting it.
I guess you think you are ok so long as you are in lane one and no one gets in your way as you drive dangerously. Nice one fella. Crack on like that and maybe you will be using the undertakers you mentioned, hopefully on your own and not with any of my family that happen to be on a road near you. Stay Lucky.....................
Oh and anyone that fancies flaming me for saying 85 is ok, it isn't and never will be on UK motorways. The myth of raising speed limits will never happen due to the many issues you read on here, middle laning, 55mph car drivers, lane disipline and traffic levels. As a whole the british way of doing things would make it too dangerous, a limit like that would only ever work on something like a toll road leaving "local" traffic with another route.
Also you appear to have difficulty in understanding that when someone quotes someone else, and you quote both of those people, they are two separate people, not one person as you assume above.
And the nail in your coffin in the usual knee jerk b
ks that "speed = danger". It doesn't.^^ LOL why such a high horse?
Ultimately I don't think it would have been much different if he was doing 70 in lane 1 and the other driver doing 60 in lane 2. It's the principle.
I find it extremely irritating when people, for no reason whatsoever, sit in lane 2 when there are no other cars about. I've done exactly the same thing on a quiet road (either very early/late in the day) as it also cheeses me off that you have to cross two lanes to get back to lane 1.
Quite often I'll flash twice upon approach to see if they move over. If not then I'll check my mirrors and carry on.
Ultimately I don't think it would have been much different if he was doing 70 in lane 1 and the other driver doing 60 in lane 2. It's the principle.
I find it extremely irritating when people, for no reason whatsoever, sit in lane 2 when there are no other cars about. I've done exactly the same thing on a quiet road (either very early/late in the day) as it also cheeses me off that you have to cross two lanes to get back to lane 1.
Quite often I'll flash twice upon approach to see if they move over. If not then I'll check my mirrors and carry on.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
djon said:
VladD said:
OP, I was travelling up the M5 last night and got to a hill where it goes into 4 lanes. I was in lane 1 doing 85 and there was a Peugeot 206 in lane 3 doing around 70 I'd guess. I stayed in lane 1 and carried on. Why should I have to pull three lanes right to pass a car and then pull three left again just because they don't know how to driver properly?
Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Well said!Oh, and it's not undertaking, it's overtaking on the left. Undertakers deal with dead bodies.
Edited by VladD on Monday 10th January 13:23
Well done on speeding fella, you must be the best driver on here, especially for admitting it.
I guess you think you are ok so long as you are in lane one and no one gets in your way as you drive dangerously. Nice one fella. Crack on like that and maybe you will be using the undertakers you mentioned, hopefully on your own and not with any of my family that happen to be on a road near you. Stay Lucky.....................
I'm not sure how Vlad is going to hurt anyone if he has 1 empty lane between him and the only other car on the road? Even doing an OUTRAGEOUS 85mph. Have you been out of Norfolk recently? In the rest of the UK 85 is the new 55 and I don't see road deaths going through the roof.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Oh and anyone that fancies flaming me for saying 85 is ok, it isn't and never will be on UK motorways. The myth of raising speed limits will never happen due to the many issues you read on here, middle laning, 55mph car drivers, lane disipline and traffic levels. As a whole the british way of doing things would make it too dangerous, a limit like that would only ever work on something like a toll road leaving "local" traffic with another route.
If you travel on a UK motorway at times other than peak periods you would find that 85 can pretty much be the norm, particularly daytime weekdays where the majority of drivers are those who do so regularly and are in cars more than capable of speeds well in excess of 85. It seems to work pretty well, and a large number of people find it ok, including, I suspect, a large number of those in blue who pretty much turn a blind eye when conditions are appropriate. Give the British some credit.Also, back to the part of your quote I have deleted, a car which is in lane 3 on an otherwise empty motorway and has been for some time is highly likely to stay there and, in my view, can be safely overtaken in lane one. Probably safer than crossing three lanes to pass it and then having to return.
Simple solution to overtaking on the left, make it legal. I suspect a large part of the issue would then go away as those who currently think lane 2 is a nice safe place to be would be so scared of cars passing on both sides they would stay in lane one and not let it happen. Job done!
Thanks for the comments, Poledriver in particular. If you read again I was coming from the point of the law, as the thread was started. 85 is illegal as in sitting in lane 3, both break the law but one is right? Not really.
I stand by saying the law will never change, and yes there is a time and a place for 85mph, however approaching an oblivious driver is not one of them.
I said before that an ignorant driver is way more dangerous than any other. For the comment suggesting that just becuase the car has been there a while it will be ok is very risky, nothing worse than someone suddenly realising the error of there way just as you are half way past and swerving, it does happen, alot.
Didn't think I was on my high horse but there you go, if you think 85 is the new 55 then good luck to you. Still say two lawbreakers don't make a right and that the law will never ever change despite what might seem acceptable these days.
The law as we all know can be an ass, however so long as there are still people who drive with awareness then 85 or even 80 in the wrong place is not great, only takes one idiot doing 69mph to pull out into a line of 85mph to cause chaos. What we need is the european way of thinking, get right out of the way unless you have the machinery or ability to drive in lane 3 at speed, works great in France, Spain,Italy and Germany.
Oh and I don't live in Norfolk, was dragged up there and returned to the homeland asap, driving in Norfolk is, well, different!
Never forget the true story of how the speed cameras in Norfolk went unchecked for over 6 months (old school ones with films) after the only officer who did it was seconded on to a murder case and no one realised, no tickets for a long time ha ha
Expected the flaming and loved it, thanks guys
I stand by saying the law will never change, and yes there is a time and a place for 85mph, however approaching an oblivious driver is not one of them.
I said before that an ignorant driver is way more dangerous than any other. For the comment suggesting that just becuase the car has been there a while it will be ok is very risky, nothing worse than someone suddenly realising the error of there way just as you are half way past and swerving, it does happen, alot.
Didn't think I was on my high horse but there you go, if you think 85 is the new 55 then good luck to you. Still say two lawbreakers don't make a right and that the law will never ever change despite what might seem acceptable these days.
The law as we all know can be an ass, however so long as there are still people who drive with awareness then 85 or even 80 in the wrong place is not great, only takes one idiot doing 69mph to pull out into a line of 85mph to cause chaos. What we need is the european way of thinking, get right out of the way unless you have the machinery or ability to drive in lane 3 at speed, works great in France, Spain,Italy and Germany.
Oh and I don't live in Norfolk, was dragged up there and returned to the homeland asap, driving in Norfolk is, well, different!
Never forget the true story of how the speed cameras in Norfolk went unchecked for over 6 months (old school ones with films) after the only officer who did it was seconded on to a murder case and no one realised, no tickets for a long time ha ha
Expected the flaming and loved it, thanks guys
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 12th January 23:56
I've undertook on quite a few occassions but only when safe to do so, when your learning to drive they wont let you on motorways.. its hardly a suprise that lots of people dont return to the left lane after overtaking really havent got a clue what to do. Constantly hogging the outside lane at 60mph. I normally flash the lights a couple of times to get a reaction then if they still dont budge pass. If your in a quick car shouldnt be a problem. Undertaking on sliproads etc is a big no no in my book.
Edited by TOENHEEL on Wednesday 12th January 23:41
Fwaggie, you get a special mention.
Firstly I do get the "quote" system, I quoted both as they agreed and I did not, simple really if you read it properly and try not to make assumptions.
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
oh and lastly, Wilma has the night of as I am not hungry, your mum gave me a biscuit to say thanks.
Firstly I do get the "quote" system, I quoted both as they agreed and I did not, simple really if you read it properly and try not to make assumptions.
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
oh and lastly, Wilma has the night of as I am not hungry, your mum gave me a biscuit to say thanks.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Fwaggie, you get a special mention.
Firstly I do get the "quote" system, I quoted both as they agreed and I did not, simple really if you read it properly and try not to make assumptions.
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
oh and lastly, Wilma has the night of as I am not hungry, your mum gave me a biscuit to say thanks.
The night of what?Firstly I do get the "quote" system, I quoted both as they agreed and I did not, simple really if you read it properly and try not to make assumptions.
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
oh and lastly, Wilma has the night of as I am not hungry, your mum gave me a biscuit to say thanks.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
bks, of the most wrinkly nature.Speed and danger have a complex non-linear relationship everywhere, not least a Motorway.
Unexpectedly low speeds are at least as likely to result in a collision as high speeds.
The Bundesautobahnen are amongst the safest and most pleasant roads to munch miles on not least because one can maintain stress free averages >120mph over long distances. The physical roads are no better than ours, it's mostly down to the absence of needless limits...
I've tried it and I have no desire to spend more than 5hours on a 500mile journey when I know there is no need.
adycav said:
Worst poll ever.
What about a "stuck for miles behind tt who won't move despite numerous friendly/less friendly flashes" option?
100% this, what an utterly pointless poll/thread! Sorry OP if you got cheesed off for somebody overtaking you, but that doesn't meant you need to make a poll about it with deliberately restrictive choices in it! Extremely narrow minded viewpoint..What about a "stuck for miles behind t
t who won't move despite numerous friendly/less friendly flashes" option?I'll admit to not having read the entire thread, however I when I had my Land Rover undertaking was the only safe method of travelling on Motorways, particularly the M25.
That machine had a top speed of 75mph, so I'd often stick to the left hand lane doing 65-70mph, and pretty often I'd come across a MLM who is doing 60-65mph. The right hand lane is flowing at about 75-85mph plus.
Obeying normal rules, I would have to move to the middle lane, slow down whilst waiting for a gap in the right hand lane. Then move into the right hand lane whilst slowing everyone else down to 75mph, before moving all the way back over to lane 1.
That's 4 lane changes required to get past 1 MLM. Alternatively I could just cruise past on the left hand lane without inconviencing anyone, and IMO is much much safer.
With a normal quicker car, I tend to have a few rules that I keep for undertaking:
That machine had a top speed of 75mph, so I'd often stick to the left hand lane doing 65-70mph, and pretty often I'd come across a MLM who is doing 60-65mph. The right hand lane is flowing at about 75-85mph plus.
Obeying normal rules, I would have to move to the middle lane, slow down whilst waiting for a gap in the right hand lane. Then move into the right hand lane whilst slowing everyone else down to 75mph, before moving all the way back over to lane 1.
That's 4 lane changes required to get past 1 MLM. Alternatively I could just cruise past on the left hand lane without inconviencing anyone, and IMO is much much safer.
With a normal quicker car, I tend to have a few rules that I keep for undertaking:
- Don't instantly undertake. Give the driver in front plenty of time to realise I'm present, but in no way would I tailgate.
- Only undertake if there's plenty of space (say half a mile, but depending upon traffic speeds) in the left hand lane(s) to do so.
- If there isn't enough space it's because I've misjudged it, and I'll slow up and filter back into the traffic flow in the position I was. Normally apologising to the car behind as I now look like a dick.
- Try and do all of the above as smooth as possible, without touching the brakes or sharp lane changes.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Thanks for the comments, Poledriver in particular. If you read again I was coming from the point of the law, as the thread was started. 85 is illegal as in sitting in lane 3, both break the law but one is right? Not really.
I stand by saying the law will never change, and yes there is a time and a place for 85mph, however approaching an oblivious driver is not one of them.
I said before that an ignorant driver is way more dangerous than any other. For the comment suggesting that just becuase the car has been there a while it will be ok is very risky, nothing worse than someone suddenly realising the error of there way just as you are half way past and swerving, it does happen, alot.
Didn't think I was on my high horse but there you go, if you think 85 is the new 55 then good luck to you. Still say two lawbreakers don't make a right and that the law will never ever change despite what might seem acceptable these days.
The law as we all know can be an ass, however so long as there are still people who drive with awareness then 85 or even 80 in the wrong place is not great, only takes one idiot doing 69mph to pull out into a line of 85mph to cause chaos. What we need is the european way of thinking, get right out of the way unless you have the machinery or ability to drive in lane 3 at speed, works great in France, Spain,Italy and Germany.
Oh and I don't live in Norfolk, was dragged up there and returned to the homeland asap, driving in Norfolk is, well, different!
Never forget the true story of how the speed cameras in Norfolk went unchecked for over 6 months (old school ones with films) after the only officer who did it was seconded on to a murder case and no one realised, no tickets for a long time ha ha
Expected the flaming and loved it, thanks guys
Laws are for the guidance of wise men, and for the adherence of fools. This is evident from the numerous people that sit behind BIB doing 65mph in a 70, and the few that cruise past at 80mph without the BIB batting an eyelid.I stand by saying the law will never change, and yes there is a time and a place for 85mph, however approaching an oblivious driver is not one of them.
I said before that an ignorant driver is way more dangerous than any other. For the comment suggesting that just becuase the car has been there a while it will be ok is very risky, nothing worse than someone suddenly realising the error of there way just as you are half way past and swerving, it does happen, alot.
Didn't think I was on my high horse but there you go, if you think 85 is the new 55 then good luck to you. Still say two lawbreakers don't make a right and that the law will never ever change despite what might seem acceptable these days.
The law as we all know can be an ass, however so long as there are still people who drive with awareness then 85 or even 80 in the wrong place is not great, only takes one idiot doing 69mph to pull out into a line of 85mph to cause chaos. What we need is the european way of thinking, get right out of the way unless you have the machinery or ability to drive in lane 3 at speed, works great in France, Spain,Italy and Germany.
Oh and I don't live in Norfolk, was dragged up there and returned to the homeland asap, driving in Norfolk is, well, different!
Never forget the true story of how the speed cameras in Norfolk went unchecked for over 6 months (old school ones with films) after the only officer who did it was seconded on to a murder case and no one realised, no tickets for a long time ha ha
Expected the flaming and loved it, thanks guys
Edited by NorfolkInClue1 on Wednesday 12th January 23:56
I'm not sure wether you are a BIB, a s
t stirrer or just an ignorant muppet but you seem to have some pretty black and white ideas about a whole sea of grey issues, and a very holier than now attitude. Good luck with that.fluffnik said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Secondly, speed does equal danger in an enviroment such as a motorway with so many variables, thats just common sense, try it some time.
bks, of the most wrinkly nature.Speed and danger have a complex non-linear relationship everywhere, not least a Motorway.
Unexpectedly low speeds are at least as likely to result in a collision as high speeds.
The Bundesautobahnen are amongst the safest and most pleasant roads to munch miles on not least because one can maintain stress free averages >120mph over long distances. The physical roads are no better than ours, it's mostly down to the absence of needless limits...
I've tried it and I have no desire to spend more than 5hours on a 500mile journey when I know there is no need.
ks but 3 sentences later you make my point for me? High speed is fine but dangerous when mixed with low speed. How many times have you had to break hard for a MiM finally pulling out to pass a lorry at a heady 65mph? I agree there is a time and a place for high speed on a motorway, trouble is that too many drivers think it is all the time in any available space and that is where speed equals danger, maybe I should have said "misplaced speed equals danger" if that would make it easier? If you think you have a right to go as fast as YOU want on a motorway then you are a very dangerous driver (not you personally fluffnik)I also mentioned the German roads as an example, maybe you could post on here why you were aable to drive at a constant 120mph? I've done it and it was because of brilliant discipline, everyone knew their place/lane, in fact on some roads the cruising can get up to 140mph, get in the wrong lane and you will know about it, sadly something that will never happen over here, if you flash anyone on UK roads they will either ignore you or break test you and show you the coffee beans!!
Hope I have explained my hairy b
ks a little, and to the post regarding my "black and white in a sea of grey" you maybe right but if it was all grey it would be very boring, i love a good debate to find out opinion, sorry if thats a crime mate Hang on, I have just re-read the topic and a few others and have just realised the error of my ways and would like to apologise for my posts, I am very sorry.
I now understand that you have to have been on here for a long time and made many posts before you can post a thought or an opinion and the veterans are right on all matters.
I appreciate that no matter how old I am, what my job is, what my life experience or car history is I will be wrong.
Apologies again to fluffnik for my bks and all others I may have upset and in future I will just post aggreement until I hit the magic numbers to allow opinion.
If someone could pm me the figures that would be great
I now understand that you have to have been on here for a long time and made many posts before you can post a thought or an opinion and the veterans are right on all matters.
I appreciate that no matter how old I am, what my job is, what my life experience or car history is I will be wrong.
Apologies again to fluffnik for my b
ks and all others I may have upset and in future I will just post aggreement until I hit the magic numbers to allow opinion. If someone could pm me the figures that would be great
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 13th January 09:51
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