For those that undertake, is it....

[Mazdarese]

Who's going to start next month's 'Lane Discipline' thread? I can't wait, they are always riveting.

[kambites]

300bhp/ton said:

kambites said:

I think it's just frustration with the idiots who wont let you overtake. If there is room to undertake, then the person you want to pass should have moved left so you didn't have to.

Not always.

Over New Year I went on rescue mission to collect someone from Brighton. Mostly motorway (3/4 lane) and dual carriage way.

There were some total dickwads about, weaving in and out of the traffic as though it was some sort of grand prix. And in most cases they'd have got just as far down the road had they stuck in a single lane.

As far as I can see, if it's in slow enough moving traffic that there isn't room to pull over, they're allowed to undertake. If it isn't, you should have been int he left-hand lane.

[JonnyFive]

Nothing more annoying than sitting behind the idiots in L2 or trying to join L3 from doing 50mph because of the idiot in L2. Usually sit in L1, get close to the MLM and give them a second or two, if they're not going to move into my lane just go past.

[HellDiver]

kambites said:

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Exactly this. Thankyou.

[g3org3y]

Welcome back 300bhp, haven't seen you posting for a while and you've come back in fine form.

Cock Womble 7 said:

If being in the right counts as arrogance, then I'm the most arrogant person in the world.

If I've got room to undertake pass you on the left, then you had room to pull over to the left where you should have been in the first place.

This.

CraigyMc said:

Where's the option for "Peasants should know their place" option?

(j/k)

This also.

[300bhp/ton]

Great Pretender said:

I frequently undertake people

You shock me, never would I have thought such a character as yourself would be thus way inclined.....

Great Pretender said:

300bhp/ton said:

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

Neither.

It's because the tool in the outside lane is blissfully unaware that there is anything behind him/her and therefore no amount of gentle creeping to their n/s mirror, or indicating or - God forbid - flashing, will move them. Either that or it's their own arrogance; that 70mph is the limit and woe-betide anyone who should wish to go faster, that's the problem.

I frequently undertake people because frankly, I'm not prepared to follow someone for miles and miles who is so unaware of their own surroundings.

>flamesuit at the ready<

You describe only 1 type of situation. And I'm not sure it is that often, not on 3 lane motorways that you do get a person in the fast lane/lane 3 sitting for long periods at low speed unless it busy, which in sanities sake would suggest driving like a tit is not really that appropriate.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Monday 10th January 13:37

[5pen]

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

All down to interpretation, but it could be argued that this is allowed under the Highway code which states...

"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake."

[PoleDriver]

300bhp/ton said:

which in sanities sake would suggest driving like a tit is not really that appropriate.

So stop doing it then!

[kambites]

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

All down to interpretation, but it could be argued that this is allowed under the Highway code which states...

"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake."

Indeed, and it's the last bit of that that the OP should be complaining about, not the actual undertaking.

[superman84]

Definitely arrogance but by the same token I'd move over for something faster than me or someone in a bigger rush. To refuse to move over for a faster moving vehicle because they going faster than the speed limit is lame and are asking to be undertaken. I do however by and large avoid undertaking for safety reasons. The lamest thing I've ever witnessed on the road was when my girlfriend was driving my old scooby and this chap in an Audi straddled two lanes on a dual carriageway because he couldn't face being passed by a girl in a Subaru. Thus I conclude there is as much arrogance in cock-blocking the fast lane as there is in undertaking.

Edited by superman84 on Monday 10th January 13:36

[Mazdarese]

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

[QuackHandle]

What about this: Yesterday I was on the A1 around lunchtime and there was some sort of highway-agency van in the outside lane doing <50mph. On the back of the van there was a sign saying something like "Surveying lane". This was causing a considerable build up of cars behind it, and everyone undertook it.

[Vipers]

knight said:

Where's the option for "I'm doing an indicated 70 on the motorway in the inside lane but still going quicker than the assholes sat in lanes 2 and 3"?

I dont consider that undertaking, do you? I have often been in that situation myself.

My definition of undertaking is those who move into a lane to their left in order to pass a vehicle in front of them, then pull back out afterwards.

[Mazdarese]

QuackHandle said:

What about this: Yesterday I was on the A1 around lunchtime and there was some sort of highway-agency van in the outside lane doing <50mph. On the back of the van there was a sign saying something like "Surveying lane". This was causing a considerable build up of cars behind it, and everyone undertook it.

Well that's a bit different. If it's a HA van that needs to be in that lane to carry out the work they are doing, then I guess you'd have to just hang back and be patient or 'undertake' it.

[V88Dicky]

I was under the impression that technically it is not illegal to undertake on dual carriageways, only motorways.

Anyway, put me down as an ignorant and arrogant bastad.

The A19 is full to the brim, every fking morning and evening, of stupid mouthbreathing sheep, nose-to-tail in the outside lane, blissfully unaware that there is several miles of emptyness in lane 1. Stupid fks.

Fine by me, makes my commute a lot easier. So remember, if you see a little R reg Pepper Red Fiesta Ghia, passing you on the inside, relax, smile and remember that it's you who's the complete fkwit

[QuackHandle]

Mazdarese said:

QuackHandle said:

What about this: Yesterday I was on the A1 around lunchtime and there was some sort of highway-agency van in the outside lane doing <50mph. On the back of the van there was a sign saying something like "Surveying lane". This was causing a considerable build up of cars behind it, and everyone undertook it.

Well that's a bit different. If it's a HA van that needs to be in that lane to carry out the work they are doing, then I guess you'd have to just hang back and be patient or 'undertake' it.

I was only on the motorway for a few miles so I have no idea how long it was plonked in the outside lane, but it was certainly causing confusion for a lot of people for the short time I saw it.

[loafer123]

I don't undertake as it increases the risk of me being in an accident as if you're too stupid to return left, you're probably not the most observant driver and are more likely to crash into an undertaking car.

I am, however, completely sympathetic to those who do.

[Al Murphy]

Afternoon all, first time posting after a long time lurking, however I read this one and just had to comment as I had an experience on Saturday evening that made me question myself on this.

I was joining a stretch of motorway at the beginning of it, the slip road comes down and joins 2 other lanes to make the beginning of the motorway, the slip road becoming lane 1 closest to the hard shoulder and the other 2 lanes carrying on. It being late at night I came down the slip road at a reasonable pace, and on getting towards the join looked forwards to see what traffic was there and saw a Mercedes estate, I judged his speed at this time as being less than mine by some margin. Counting on the difference in speeds, and knowing I did not have to merge into his lane I continued at my speed figuring I would pass up the inside of the Merc with ease and it would tuck in behind me.

As I progressed along the slip road with the chevrons to my right I realised the Mercedes had accelerated, childishly (maybe) I accelerated in order to maintain the difference in speeds. The other car continued to accelerate, so did I. Eventually I did undertake him, although now at speeds that were slightly over the speed limit according to my speedo (but obviously within legal tolerances) to be greeted by a fusillade of abuse from the headlights of the car now behind. Gave it a quick 'Thanks!' with the hazards and thought nothing of it, maintaining my speed in lane 1 of the motorway. The other driver then must have really taken offence as he went steaming past, I acknowledged his behaviour with a 2 finger salute, wish I could have seen the look on the other drivers face considering at the time I was dressed as Super Mario and had Freddie Mercury in the passenger seat

But I now question myself whether who was being the cock in this situation, to me it felt like he sped up just so I couldn't undertake, despite the fact had he maintained his pace I would have undertaken on what was essentially a different road, but I guess an undertake is an undertake, and technically illegal so maybe the Mercedes driver was in the right, although speeding up to block me.....

My usual take on undertaking is that if I have the space and time to undertake you and move back out (safely) then you should have been in that lane, allowing me a legitimate overtake. Thus the person being undertook is a cock.

Regards,

Al

[Cock Womble 7]

knight said:

Where's the option for "I'm doing an indicated 70 on the motorway in the inside lane but still going quicker than the assholes sat in lanes 2 and 3"?

I've lost count of the number of times I've undertaken passed on the left vehicles in the middle lane when I'm in a lorry limited to 56mph.

Pulling into the outside lane isn't an option in an HGV.

[5pen]

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

Option 4 - Move to lane 3 and overtake.

On a two-lane carriageway, with a 70 limit, I would flash them and if they still didn't move might move left and pass.