For those that undertake, is it....

[g3org3y]

Mazdarese said:

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

4. - Lane 2, flash of the headlights to see if they get the message. If no movement across, lane 1 and bye bye.

[vixen1700]

knight said:

Where's the option for "I'm doing an indicated 70 on the motorway in the inside lane but still going quicker than the assholes sat in lanes 2 and 3"?

This.

[Mazdarese]

Al Murphy said:

Afternoon all, first time posting after a long time lurking, however I read this one and just had to comment as I had an experience on Saturday evening that made me question myself on this.

The roads are full of idiots, you met one.

[Cock Womble 7]

Al Murphy said:

Thus the person being undertook is a cock.

In a nutshell.

(Welcome, by the way.)

[Great Pretender]

300bhp/ton said:

Great Pretender said:

I frequently undertake people

You shock me, never would I have thought such a character as yourself would be thus way inclined.....

Great Pretender said:

300bhp/ton said:

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

Neither.

It's because the tool in the outside lane is blissfully unaware that there is anything behind him/her and therefore no amount of gentle creeping to their n/s mirror, or indicating or - God forbid - flashing, will move them. Either that or it's their own arrogance; that 70mph is the limit and woe-betide anyone who should wish to go faster, that's the problem.

I frequently undertake people because frankly, I'm not prepared to follow someone for miles and miles who is so unaware of their own surroundings.

>flamesuit at the ready<

You describe only 1 type of situation. And I'm not sure it is that often, not on 3 lane motorways that you do get a person in the fast lane/lane 3 sitting for long periods at low speed unless it busy, which in sanities sake would suggest driving like a tit is not really that appropriate.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Monday 10th January 13:37

Stop trolling.

You've got a 'project' to get back to and my the looks of it, that will need all the attention you can possibly give it

[300bhp/ton]

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

[Petrolhead_Rich]

Well of those two options, arrogance, I know I shouldn't but when there is 3 miles of empty motorway and there is some tosser in lane 2/3 doing 65mph, why should I sit behind them instead of doing a manoeuvre which is illegal and slightly more dangerous than a normal overtake?

Might start another poll:

Those that get undertaken, why do you not keep left?
a) Ignorance (Didn't realise I had to keep left)
b) Arrogance (I'm driving a fast car in the fast lane and people shouldn't go faster than me)
c) Lack of observation (Didn't notice lane 1 was clear or that I was on a dual carriageway)

If you get undertaken then someone has just done a manoeuvre which was as incorrect as your lack of manoeuvre!

[RobM77]

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow, and it's subtley changed my driving, and I can now appreciate an understand things that used to annoy me. With regard to undertaking, if I come off a roundabout at 60mph (same speed as in my Elise) and accelerate to 70, what am I supposed to do about someone in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway doing 50mph? In the Elise and my previous daily driver (Z4 Coupé) I would slow to 50 behind them, patiently wait for them to move, then squirt up to 70 again, move back to lane 1, thank them, and move on my way; but now that I've got such little power I'm afraid to say that I take the cheaper and less arduous option and just drive past (if safe) at 70... I would only do this if there was a lane between us though, or a very wide road with lots of room. It is annoying though if you're in something slow! Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

[mattman]

300bhp/ton said:

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

Blimey - wish I drove on your roads - happened to me twice on the M1 last saturday when both lanes 1 and 2 were clear but the twonk sat in lane 3 at 65-70mph - within the space of 20miles - tried moving across their field of vision from a safe distance, friendly flash, etc but nothing - moved over to lane 1 passed and stayed there until i needed to use lane 2 again and they still sat there not moving over.....

[Hugo a Gogo]

I don't drive in the UK much any more, but I was back at xmas and undertook scores of cars on the m20, m11, a1, m6, m25

[300bhp/ton]

mattman said:

300bhp/ton said:

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

Blimey - wish I drove on your roads - happened to me twice on the M1 last saturday when both lanes 1 and 2 were clear but the twonk sat in lane 3 at 65-70mph - within the space of 20miles - tried moving across their field of vision from a safe distance, friendly flash, etc but nothing - moved over to lane 1 passed and stayed there until i needed to use lane 2 again and they still sat there not moving over.....

Sorry, am I reading this right?

You drove for 20 miles on the M1 with no traffic in lane 1 and 2????? And only a single car in lane 3?

Me thinks you are not telling all.

[louiebaby]

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

[RizzoTheRat]

mat205125 said:

Keep left, unless overtaking!!!!

This!

I'll stay in the left hand lane until there's something slower than me in front in which case I'll pull out and overtake it. That may mean I occasionaly pass members on the centre lane owners club on thier left. I used to commute round the southers side of the M25 and staying in the left hand lane would shave a noticable amount of time off my commute compared to the people sat in the other lanes.

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Monday 10th January 13:59

[CampDavid]

RobM77 said:

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow

Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

The OP wishes half his cars were as quick as your BM

[Mars]

Where's the option for "pragmatism"?

I'm observant and I understand the rules. I'm not in the slightest bit upset by the line of traffic in lane-3 when lanes-1 and 2 are empty for the mile ahead. I don't get road rage these days - I just accept it as "normal" and a consequence of more drivers/road-mile than most other countries. BUT I can move up lane-1 (yes, 1) faster than the lane-3 sheep are moving, and I can nip in front of the van/micra/superior arse driving at the head of the queue to overtake upcoming traffic in lanes-1 and 2.

Why shouldn't I? Rather than arrogance I feel disdain for the rules which were fixed years ago, and haven't been reviewed in line with the driving population/traffic conditions. I don't feel smug as I do this. It's just a way of getting to work/home quicker, and maintaining a reasonable road speed so I don't die of boredom.

[adycav]

Al Murphy said:

...I acknowledged his behaviour with a 2 finger salute, wish I could have seen the look on the other drivers face considering at the time I was dressed as Super Mario and had Freddie Mercury in the passenger seat...

This thread is worth it for this line alone. Marvellous stuff.

[daz4m]

300bhp/ton said:

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

I can imagine your the type of chap you deliberately sits in the outside lane in order to provoke an undertake so that you can start a thread on it....

Oh wait.....

[VladD]

300bhp/ton said:

mattman said:

300bhp/ton said:

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

Blimey - wish I drove on your roads - happened to me twice on the M1 last saturday when both lanes 1 and 2 were clear but the twonk sat in lane 3 at 65-70mph - within the space of 20miles - tried moving across their field of vision from a safe distance, friendly flash, etc but nothing - moved over to lane 1 passed and stayed there until i needed to use lane 2 again and they still sat there not moving over.....

Sorry, am I reading this right?

You drove for 20 miles on the M1 with no traffic in lane 1 and 2????? And only a single car in lane 3?

Me thinks you are not telling all.

Try reading it again.

[RobM77]

CampDavid said:

RobM77 said:

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow

Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

The OP wishes half his cars were as quick as your BM

Really? I'll have a look at his profile!

I just thought I'd post because the slow diesel thing has really changed my driving. It's all about keeping up momentum now, and numpties stuck in the outside lane (and various other people who unexpectedly get in your way through poor driving and not following the Highway Code), have become much more annoying now that I don't have the power to recover so quickly from losing all that speed (and even enjoy it with a lovely engine note!).

[944fan]

300bhp/ton said:

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

Why not? It is not illegal.