For those that undertake, is it....

For those that undertake, is it....

Poll: For those that undertake, is it....

Total Members Polled: 156

Ignorance: 8%
Arrogance: 92%
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300bhp/ton

Original Poster:

41,030 posts

189 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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DrTre said:
If people are being cut up left right and centre enough to whine about it, look to your own driving as that appears to be the common denominator.
I think the only sensible answer to such a stupid comment is bks is it!

rallycross

12,747 posts

236 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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tbdgriff500 said:
biggest problem for me is when towing, not allowed in lane 3 so it's sit behind said donut or pass on the left. it takes a lot of time to accelerate while towing so the decision is made early to keep momentum especially approaching a hill,also this sat morning(not towing) heading up A20 3 miles following a line of 5 cars sat behind a clio doing 70mph nothing in lane 1&2, much patience shown by all 5 cars, eventually passing on the left one after the other, when i got level after waiting patiently for a while, looked right to see five people merrily having what looked like a little party including the driver swigging on a bottle of drink passenger facing backwards no seatbelt bopping to the beat, i bibbed and showed my frustration, completley ignored and just carried on in the outside lane. i was absolutley gobsmacked!!

Edited by tbdgriff500 on Monday 10th January 16:06
This gets me as well so frustrating when towing and trying to keep a decent speed up. well its frustrated me since I learned that trailers are not allowed in lane 3 even if you are in a hurry and think everyone should get out of your way, any way its all good practice for effortless undertaking of the morons who dont know how to use their mirror, or know their place!

300bhp/ton

Original Poster:

41,030 posts

189 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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The Wookie said:
300bhp you weren't one of those total tits last tuesday or wednesday evening sitting in the middle or outside lanes, cruising along, not overtaking, creating clumps of traffic every 4 or 5 miles at well below the NSL on an otherwise clear and quiet A23/M23 were you? If so, I 'undertook' you and I hate you.
I like to use all the lanes.... So no, I suspect it wasnt me at all biggrin

DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
DrTre said:
If people are being cut up left right and centre enough to whine about it, look to your own driving as that appears to be the common denominator.
I think the only sensible answer to such a stupid comment is bks is it!
Wow, you don't take valid criticism at all well do you? ETA: if you can't see that, if things are as bad as you say, and this is a simple case of cause and effect then you're simply blind and arrogant.

Really can't be arsed to indulge such a facile "argument" any more, you've trolled much more effectively and enjoyably in the past; this one is just plain dull.

Edited by DrTre on Monday 10th January 16:54

ewenm

28,506 posts

244 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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Amazingly, I manage to make decent progress on motorways without undertaking or being undertaken. If there's room for someone behind me to catch up, pass on the inside and move out again without hitting me or the vehicle I'm overtaking then I'd have to conclude I should have moved left between my overtakes.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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It's more to do with 1,000bhp/t, to be honest.

softtop

3,048 posts

246 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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g3org3y said:
Mazdarese said:
What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.
4. - Lane 2, flash of the headlights to see if they get the message. If no movement across, lane 1 and bye bye.
this assumes the problem is in front of you. that is a simple one. The issue comes when the trail is 10 cars long. No time to become a traffic enforcer, move over and continue.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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ewenm said:
Amazingly, I manage to make decent progress on motorways without undertaking or being undertaken. If there's room for someone behind me to catch up, pass on the inside and move out again without hitting me or the vehicle I'm overtaking then I'd have to conclude I should have moved left between my overtakes.
scratchchin Are you sure about that? I get undertaken all the time, not that it bothers me much. It happens like this: I'm going down lane 1 when I see a lorry half a mile in front being overtaken by a car in lane 2 at a small closing speed. In lane 3 is a string of 3 or 4 cars overtaking both of them. So I move out to lane 3 to join that queue of cars. Someone will then do what I've just done, see the lorry, car and the lane 3 queue, and come up behind me, but instead of staying behind me, they'll move out to my left, pass me on the inside, and then cut back in either in front of me or the car in front of me. Happens constantly on the M3. In a 30 minute journey to Southampton from where I live I get this perhaps 7 or 8 times?

Monkeylegend

26,226 posts

230 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
DannyVTS said:
how?
Well he clearly doesn't brace himself for the recoil before he pulls the trigger.

Mazdarese

21,007 posts

186 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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RobM77 said:
ewenm said:
Amazingly, I manage to make decent progress on motorways without undertaking or being undertaken. If there's room for someone behind me to catch up, pass on the inside and move out again without hitting me or the vehicle I'm overtaking then I'd have to conclude I should have moved left between my overtakes.
scratchchin Are you sure about that? I get undertaken all the time, not that it bothers me much. It happens like this: I'm going down lane 1 when I see a lorry half a mile in front being overtaken by a car in lane 2 at a small closing speed. In lane 3 is a string of 3 or 4 cars overtaking both of them. So I move out to lane 3 to join that queue of cars. Someone will then do what I've just done, see the lorry, car and the lane 3 queue, and come up behind me, but instead of staying behind me, they'll move out to my left, pass me on the inside, and then cut back in either in front of me or the car in front of me. Happens constantly on the M3. In a 30 minute journey to Southampton from where I live I get this perhaps 7 or 8 times?
Personally, I would suggest that you shouldn't join a queue of overtaking cars. If someone has decided to move into lane 2 and pass you and another car before pulling in, then perhaps you should have not been in lane 3.

Just my opinion, and it's difficult to comment without actually seeing it happen.

XG332

3,927 posts

187 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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I do it when required.
For instance.

M40 this morning a fair bitof traffic in lanes 2 and 3, stop start max speed 30-40mph
I sat in lane 1 with the trucks passing at 60MPH
I win


M40 again, this time in heavy rain queue of 6-7 cars in lane 3 all nose to tail at 60ish mph.

Why would i join the queue in the spray when i could simply pass in lane 1 in perfect saftey.

What i dont agree with is people who swap and change lane. As in are in lane 3 and go to lane 1 to pass a couple of cars.

andysgriff

913 posts

259 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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In some cases its just loss of faith in the human race being the dominant species frown

magnus911

584 posts

188 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?
Sorry but this is a st poll. There are often valid reasons for undertaking. If it were such a terrible thing then it wouldn't be legal in other countries would it? I.e. the US.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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Mazdarese said:
RobM77 said:
ewenm said:
Amazingly, I manage to make decent progress on motorways without undertaking or being undertaken. If there's room for someone behind me to catch up, pass on the inside and move out again without hitting me or the vehicle I'm overtaking then I'd have to conclude I should have moved left between my overtakes.
scratchchin Are you sure about that? I get undertaken all the time, not that it bothers me much. It happens like this: I'm going down lane 1 when I see a lorry half a mile in front being overtaken by a car in lane 2 at a small closing speed. In lane 3 is a string of 3 or 4 cars overtaking both of them. So I move out to lane 3 to join that queue of cars. Someone will then do what I've just done, see the lorry, car and the lane 3 queue, and come up behind me, but instead of staying behind me, they'll move out to my left, pass me on the inside, and then cut back in either in front of me or the car in front of me. Happens constantly on the M3. In a 30 minute journey to Southampton from where I live I get this perhaps 7 or 8 times?
Personally, I would suggest that you shouldn't join a queue of overtaking cars. If someone has decided to move into lane 2 and pass you and another car before pulling in, then perhaps you should have not been in lane 3.

Just my opinion, and it's difficult to comment without actually seeing it happen.
So what would you do in that situation? I'm not trying to argue, but I'm genuinely confused because the way you suggest to handle it would be a truly bizarre way of making progress.

Let's say the lorry's doing 55, the car in lane 2 60 and the queue of three or four cars overtaking both is doing 70. You're cruising at 75 on approach (yes, I know that's faster than the speed limit but make up your own speeds if you like. 50/55/65 and 70 if you wish - it makes no difference). If you don't join the queue in lane 3 as soon as possible you're going to end up undertaking them all and butted right up behind the lorry or car in an unrecoverable situation, because out of courtesy you can't just then switch to lane 3! You'd also have to slow down and speed up again, which risks bunching up cars and zaps your fuel, not to mention change lanes in a busy area, rather than a quiet area. Equally, you can't sit there behind the lorry or car and wait for the end of the queue because they'll be no end - cars will just keep coming down lane 3 and joining the end, and you can bet your life they won't let you out because you've just undertaken everybody. Plus you'd be joining a lane with an average speed of 70mph at 60mph! I described the only sensible and safe action, which is to maintain your speed, move to lane 3 and lose 5mph until the overtaking manouvre is complete, at which point you return to lane 1 as you were beforehand.

Edited by RobM77 on Monday 10th January 18:06

magnus911

584 posts

188 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
You describe only 1 type of situation.
haha and your poll wasn't black and white? fk sake.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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Great Pretender said:
300bhp/ton said:
So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?
Neither.

It's because the tool in the outside lane is blissfully unaware that there is anything behind him/her and therefore no amount of gentle creeping to their n/s mirror, or indicating or - God forbid - flashing, will move them. Either that or it's their own arrogance; that 70mph is the limit and woe-betide anyone who should wish to go faster, that's the problem.

I frequently undertake people because frankly, I'm not prepared to follow someone for miles and miles who is so unaware of their own surroundings.

>flamesuit at the ready<
Agreed 100%

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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yes

Another type of driver worth mentioning is those that capitalise on the "no undertaking" rule. Where a dual carriageway goes down to one lane, say at the end of a crawler lane or just a period of dual carriageway for a mile or so going down to one lane (e.g. A303), and there's no other cars around, they move out to sit in lane 2 to stop you getting in front of them. With such people, a flash never works, and neither does an indicator or just good old patience. They know precisely what they're up to and they just won't budge.

whoami

13,151 posts

239 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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RobM77 said:
yes

Another type of driver worth mentioning is those that capitalise on the "no undertaking" rule. Where a dual carriageway goes down to one lane, say at the end of a crawler lane or just a period of dual carriageway for a mile or so going down to one lane (e.g. A303), and there's no other cars around, they move out to sit in lane 2 to stop you getting in front of them. With such people, a flash never works, and neither does an indicator or just good old patience. They know precisely what they're up to and they just won't budge.
yes

The very worst kind of spunkbag.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Monday 10th January 2011
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whoami said:
RobM77 said:
yes

Another type of driver worth mentioning is those that capitalise on the "no undertaking" rule. Where a dual carriageway goes down to one lane, say at the end of a crawler lane or just a period of dual carriageway for a mile or so going down to one lane (e.g. A303), and there's no other cars around, they move out to sit in lane 2 to stop you getting in front of them. With such people, a flash never works, and neither does an indicator or just good old patience. They know precisely what they're up to and they just won't budge.
yes

The very worst kind of spunkbag.
And I know for a fact they do it deliberately. Sometimes you can follow a car down a dual carriageway bit with perfect lane discipline, and then as soon as the sign goes up that the DC is ending in 200 yards, they stay out after their last overtake right until the white line guides them in again, even if you're behind them and closing. What's more, lately I've started noticing these idiots playing their games so I've just given up waiting in lane 2 for them to move back, accepted my fate and just popped the car into sixth and moved back to lane one, at which point they instantly dive over to lane one thinking you're going to undertake them!