RE: Open Season: Porsche 911 Turbo
Discussion
Riggers said:
Ah, but my original point was about cars "fast enough to blow away the most sticky of cobwebs and yet that can also allow you to experience the simple pleasures of open-top motoring"
In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Audi r8 v10 is miles better imo ,better to drive in most respects and at least its equal in useability.In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Lightningman said:
Perhaps then (and I appreciate we (I am) are arguing semantics), it isn't possible to do better if the criteria on which we are judging the 911 Turbo Cab is: 4-seats, cabriolet, VERY rapid and excellent daily usability (reliability).
I appreciate that I am being pedantic but as above, 'you could do a lot worse' begs the question/makes the suggestion that you could also 'do better'. My opinion is that Porsche have carved a clever little niche for themselves with the 911 - and perhaps especially so with the Turbo cab. It is a 4-seater (albeit compromised in the rear), that is faster than 99% of the other cars on the road and offers the owner daily practicality, reliability and yet all the pleasure of an open top sports car.
While not a fan-boy nor a detractor, I cannot honestly think of another car that offers the same features in an identical package (perhaps the DBS Volante but the price point is higher and the quality questionable when compared to the Germanic offering).
Thanks for being good natured and taking my pedantic questioning in the manner intended.
the rear seats really dont count,unless you have no legs they are unuseable for anyone over the age of 4.I appreciate that I am being pedantic but as above, 'you could do a lot worse' begs the question/makes the suggestion that you could also 'do better'. My opinion is that Porsche have carved a clever little niche for themselves with the 911 - and perhaps especially so with the Turbo cab. It is a 4-seater (albeit compromised in the rear), that is faster than 99% of the other cars on the road and offers the owner daily practicality, reliability and yet all the pleasure of an open top sports car.
While not a fan-boy nor a detractor, I cannot honestly think of another car that offers the same features in an identical package (perhaps the DBS Volante but the price point is higher and the quality questionable when compared to the Germanic offering).
Thanks for being good natured and taking my pedantic questioning in the manner intended.
franki68 said:
Riggers said:
Ah, but my original point was about cars "fast enough to blow away the most sticky of cobwebs and yet that can also allow you to experience the simple pleasures of open-top motoring"
In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Audi r8 v10 is miles better imo ,better to drive in most respects and at least its equal in useability.In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
M666 EVO said:
You really don't see that many anymore, which is a crying shame...
See bloody loads of them here in Houston, mostly driven by 'douchy' looking sorts. They've got a fat arse (the cars) or a hump like quasimodo depending on how you look at it and they sound like a hairdryer compared to the competition.Epic.......car..........fail
I'd still love one though
. It looks a bit like knackered slipper or a shoe. This car should be hard top only.
Riggers said:
franki68 said:
Riggers said:
Ah, but my original point was about cars "fast enough to blow away the most sticky of cobwebs and yet that can also allow you to experience the simple pleasures of open-top motoring"
In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Audi r8 v10 is miles better imo ,better to drive in most respects and at least its equal in useability.In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Only credible alternative would be the California, but then that's not a real Ferrari (some say).. Looks great and drives well though...
dberkmen said:
Hmmm, yes the only problem with the Audi is it's name, oh and the semi auto box....
Only credible alternative would be the California, but then that's not a real Ferrari (some say).. Looks great and drives well though...
you can get manual ,and it is one of the most tactile changes out there,and the name well thats a matter of opinion,I have had 4 911s and basically people dont let you out in them,I had an v8 r8 and people love them,Im still a porsche fan and still have one,but the r8 moved the game on but that is just my opinion.I have driven all the gen2 cars bar the odd model (there are so many now) and to my mind they diluted the 997 as a driving experience,apart from the gt3 which is just epic in both gen1 and 2 guises.Only credible alternative would be the California, but then that's not a real Ferrari (some say).. Looks great and drives well though...
the jag xxr is a cracking car which also has 2 daft rear seats,and now a viable alternative to the 911.
Edited by franki68 on Thursday 10th February 20:48
Riggers said:
Lightningman said:
Riggers said:
However, if you want potentially better options in terms of open-top cobweb-removers, (IMHO, of course), I'd point you in the direction of an Ariel Atom, perhaps, or maybe a TVR Griffith. Or perhaps a Caterham R300. But then none of those would do such a good job of being an 'ordinary' car if required...
However, and as you rightly point out "none of those would do such a good job of being an 'ordinary' car" and therefore, they are not direct comparisons. Thus back to the point - if you could do a lot worse: what would do it better using the same criteria as the 911 Turbo Cab offers.
In which case I stick to my point about Griff, R500, Atom et al being potentially better in that regard.
If the criterion, however, is a soft-top that's as fast and yet as usable as a 911 Turbo Cab then, my friend, you rather have me at a loss - because I don't think there is one. Maybe and SL63 AMG knocks on the door, but I think the 911 takes the gold by that measurement...
Arguably, its got a more fun biased four-wheel-drive system, is better looking, better sounding, and save for the unusable rear seats that the 911's got, is just as practical. Mind if it was my money, forget the convertible, i'd choose the GT3 RS every time.
Rusty-C said:
Surely the R8 V10's in with a shout?
Arguably, its got a more fun biased four-wheel-drive system, is better looking, better sounding, and save for the unusable rear seats that the 911's got, is just as practical. Mind if it was my money, forget the convertible, i'd choose the GT3 RS every time.
Really should read the whole thread before commenting... it's a learning process.Arguably, its got a more fun biased four-wheel-drive system, is better looking, better sounding, and save for the unusable rear seats that the 911's got, is just as practical. Mind if it was my money, forget the convertible, i'd choose the GT3 RS every time.
You mentioned in the article that Jaguar and Land Rover test on the Fosse way, Land Rover used RAF Kinloss in Moray to test the last Range Rover the one BMW designed just before they sold to Ford. They took one of the grsssed over hangers and built test track on it for the press. I came in to work one night and went over the other side of the airfield to find about 20 brand new Range Rovers all lined up for the press. All the Station execs got freebie LR coats and weekends at some posh hotel with a driving course I heard. Probably before PH days.
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