New car lead times??!!
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dowahdiddyman said:
Question. If a dealer offers say 6k for your px then the lead time increases and increases so a 6 month lead time turns into a 9 month delivery is said dealer obliged to give you agreed px price.
Most will try and value a car for the delivery month if it is only 2-3 months away but if it is longer, the car will be valued for now with 'subject to revaluation' at the point of delivery. Where unexpected lead time delays occur, then there are generally two ways to deal with it. Both are normally covered in the purchase contract (so read the paperwork) and will either be a set depreciation percentage for delays-ours is 2.5% per 30 days. Or, more likely, the dealer will revalue the car at the time of delivery and if the customer isn't happy with the value then they can cancel the contract.But, if the dealer hasn't told the customer that the part ex will be revauled and somehow this issue has been omitted from the contract terms and conditions(highly unlikely) then yes, the customer should be entitled to the original contracted part ex value.
This will never happen, though.
dowahdiddyman said:
Question. If a dealer offers say 6k for your px then the lead time increases and increases so a 6 month lead time turns into a 9 month delivery is said dealer obliged to give you agreed px price.
You'll find the dealer isn't "obliged" to do anything at all - car sales contracts are heavily biased towards the dealer, allowing the dealer to cancel without penalty but imposing a loss of deposit and other costs on the buyer if the buyer cancels.There's supposed to be a tremendous shortage of good used cars at the moment so hopefully p/x valuations could be maintained for a delivery delay occurring now. In a falling market it might be a different matter though.
Deva Link said:
There's supposed to be a tremendous shortage of good used cars at the moment so hopefully p/x valuations could be maintained for a delivery delay occurring now.
Really? Because trade prices at auction are down this month. There was a shortage in 2009 but as far as I'm aware there isn't one now...I ordered a Land Rover six weeks ago which is due, hopefully, mid to late March, which didn't seem too bad.
My Boxster was order in March 2006 or thereabouts and was delivered late September, which seemed an eternity but worth the wait for my first proper sports car.
Whilst shopping around and prior to settling on the Freelander I was quoted 6-8 months on some very mundane VAG models.
Six months to me isn't an eternity if you're waiting for a Porsche, not sure I'd be comfortable waiting six months if the light at the end of the tunnel was a Golf Tdi.
My Boxster was order in March 2006 or thereabouts and was delivered late September, which seemed an eternity but worth the wait for my first proper sports car.
Whilst shopping around and prior to settling on the Freelander I was quoted 6-8 months on some very mundane VAG models.
Six months to me isn't an eternity if you're waiting for a Porsche, not sure I'd be comfortable waiting six months if the light at the end of the tunnel was a Golf Tdi.
Deva Link said:
You'll find the dealer isn't "obliged" to do anything at all - car sales contracts are heavily biased towards the dealer, allowing the dealer to cancel without penalty but imposing a loss of deposit and other costs on the buyer if the buyer cancels.
In practice, you will find that this very rarely happens. The normal course of events, if the dealer holds onto the deposit, is to refund it once the cancelled car is sold. However, the general public don't realise that if we actually stuck to the letter of the law we could not only sue for our total profit from the original sale but also (and in addition to) any losses incurred if the car was then sold for less than the original purchase price.Yes, some say that the contract is biased towards the dealer. Of course it is. We are the ones who are taking on all of the financial risk up until the customer actually picks the car up. I have had a number of situations were customers have cancelled after the car going fully paid (ie after registration but before delivery).You only need a handful of those to cause serious financial problems fopr the dealership..
The lesson is, if you are not sure don't put a deposit down and buy the car. I have sent many customers away in the past because they didn't seem 'sure' even though in the 'excitement' of the moment I could have got them to sign on the dotted. Believe me, I only want to sell a car once.
Jay12329 said:
I've decided I want a Skoda Superb, today I've been quoted 6 months for a new one, if I'm lucky! How on earth can it take 6 months to build a mid range mid power diesel?
How many people are willing to wait 6 months for a car? I thought I was leaving loads of time but aparantly not!
J
Supply and Demand, we are struggling to get demonstrator skoda's. Who would of thought that Skodas were so in demand. I have a lovley 60 plate octavia sat here, if it helps I could try and put you into one quicker. If your wanting a new plate though, its going to be a while im affraid! Depends what options you choose, and engine and trans job. Diesel makes it longer, dsg even more so!How many people are willing to wait 6 months for a car? I thought I was leaving loads of time but aparantly not!
J
sidewaysthough said:
Supply and Demand,
Where is the bottle-neck though? Is it that Skoda UK hasn't got enough allocation, or VAG wants to limit the cars shipped into the UK due to the exchange rate?OK, there may be shortages of certain components or specific engines, but there's no way the routine manufacturing lead-time at a Skoda assembly plant is 6mths.
I don't think Skoda is sold in the US, but look at US Audi & VW dealers - they're stuffed with inventory. Why? Because US buyers won't wait.
Deva Link said:
Where is the bottle-neck though? Is it that Skoda UK hasn't got enough allocation, or VAG wants to limit the cars shipped into the UK due to the exchange rate?
OK, there may be shortages of certain components or specific engines, but there's no way the routine manufacturing lead-time at a Skoda assembly plant is 6mths.
I don't think Skoda is sold in the US, but look at US Audi & VW dealers - they're stuffed with inventory. Why? Because US buyers won't wait.
There are some component issues with VW with suppliers not providing enough parts, but not sure if that affects SkodaOK, there may be shortages of certain components or specific engines, but there's no way the routine manufacturing lead-time at a Skoda assembly plant is 6mths.
I don't think Skoda is sold in the US, but look at US Audi & VW dealers - they're stuffed with inventory. Why? Because US buyers won't wait.
Deva Link said:
Where is the bottle-neck though? Is it that Skoda UK hasn't got enough allocation, or VAG wants to limit the cars shipped into the UK due to the exchange rate?
OK, there may be shortages of certain components or specific engines, but there's no way the routine manufacturing lead-time at a Skoda assembly plant is 6mths.
I don't think Skoda is sold in the US, but look at US Audi & VW dealers - they're stuffed with inventory. Why? Because US buyers won't wait.
If you scroll back a few pages, you will be able to read (again) the responses to the same questions/statements that you made. It was explained very clearly by a number of people what the current situation is. Your conspiracy theories are no more valid now than they where a couple of days ago.OK, there may be shortages of certain components or specific engines, but there's no way the routine manufacturing lead-time at a Skoda assembly plant is 6mths.
I don't think Skoda is sold in the US, but look at US Audi & VW dealers - they're stuffed with inventory. Why? Because US buyers won't wait.
TVR1 said:
If you scroll back a few pages, you will be able to read (again) the responses to the same questions/statements that you made. It was explained very clearly by a number of people what the current situation is. Your conspiracy theories are no more valid now than they where a couple of days ago.
I was interested to hear what someone who works for a Skoda dealer feels or knows is the problem.A few pages back someone posted what they felt was the "unofficial" line from VW (which was exactly the same as what I'm hearing) and you said it was a load of twaddle.
Edited by Deva Link on Sunday 27th February 12:39
I know February is always a poor month for new car sales, but there were some weird numbers.
Golf was the best seller (it's usually Focus). Ford sold 2500 Focus's but sold 3x that number in Jan (possibly affected by new Focus?).
Some brands were way down, Toyota, Kia and Hyundai all way off, but perhaps impacted by last Feb's numbers including scrappage.
The Audi, BMW V& Merc trio did OK, but Honda outsold Toyota, Renault and Skoda.
Golf was the best seller (it's usually Focus). Ford sold 2500 Focus's but sold 3x that number in Jan (possibly affected by new Focus?).
Some brands were way down, Toyota, Kia and Hyundai all way off, but perhaps impacted by last Feb's numbers including scrappage.
The Audi, BMW V& Merc trio did OK, but Honda outsold Toyota, Renault and Skoda.
Shmee said:
Mini Countryman, built in 27 days, can be delivered on day 39 from deposit.
I reckon if you bought one of these monstrosities you’d actually want a long delivery time simply so you wouldn’t have to look at it any longer than necessary.Edited by RedWhiteMonkey on Friday 4th March 15:36
RedWhiteMonkey said:
I reckon if you bought one of these monstrosities you’d actually want a long delivery time simply so you wouldn’t have to look at it any longer than necessary.
Haha fortunately for me I couldn't imagine anything more boring than an old model, diesel 3er.Edited by RedWhiteMonkey on Friday 4th March 15:36
Jay12329 said:
That one's not new. 
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