RE: Driven: McLaren MP4-12C
Discussion
For a twin turbo V8 it looks a bit low on Torque. That may be to either save the drivetrain as McLaren know their cars are going to be regularly fully exploited by their owners no doubt, or because they've purposely left plenty more room for tuning.
I imagine an extra 100ftlb is going to be pretty straightforward to extract. I'll have mine in matt black all over please!! Lovely!!
I imagine an extra 100ftlb is going to be pretty straightforward to extract. I'll have mine in matt black all over please!! Lovely!!
Very nice, however it would be interesting to know what "off" for the electronics actually constitutes as with the electronics truly disabled (active suspension, active diff/corner brake system, hydraulic roll system, TC etc.) it'll be a right handful and probably a lot slower as a result?
Bit like that 599 GTO that was reviewed on TG recently?
Bit like that 599 GTO that was reviewed on TG recently?
TonyHetherington said:
FraserLFA said:
I'll admit it's only a rumour, but apparently Lambo are in the early stages of developing a Gallardo replacement. It'll be a while before we see it, mind.
Of course Lambo have a forward plan regarding the Gallardo. whether they've revealed it or not is another matter, but there's no way a company such as that will get to this point in the Gallardo's life and say "oooo, blimey, we've just done the last special edition, now - what shall we replace it with?"B10 said:
Interesting article. However can we have less of the Clarksonesque cheap semi-inaccurate jibes "Which is important, what with the British car industry having abandoned its greatness at around about the same time that Steven Spielberg decided to make a film about a very big fish."
There always has to be some neqativeness about anything home grown, even in this tangential way.
If it were an German car and we were on a German website we would be saying it is much better than the Ferrari. So come on lets be a bit more positive and look at the future instead of always mentioning the past!
Well, Britain has turned out some convincing rivals to the Porsche 911, Volkswagen Golf, Audi R8, Audi TT, Porsche Cayman, Mercedes SLS, Mercedes SL, BMW M3 and BMW M5 over the past ten years hasn't it?There always has to be some neqativeness about anything home grown, even in this tangential way.
If it were an German car and we were on a German website we would be saying it is much better than the Ferrari. So come on lets be a bit more positive and look at the future instead of always mentioning the past!
Oh no. It hasn't.
Asterix said:
andywaterfall said:
Nice review! Interesting to see the Sunday papers ignored the embargo; seems like some people aren't too happy about it: http://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/36839920177...
That's extremely bad form from The Times.george h said:
dberkmen said:
Hmmm very nice, but a TurboS is half a second quicker to 100kmh on 'std tyres', and I suspect probably as quick in day to day driving....
Track days, well that's a different matter, and not as important to the average punter... Imo of course. ;-)
I wasn't aware a 911 turbo would do 0-62 in 2.6 seconds....Track days, well that's a different matter, and not as important to the average punter... Imo of course. ;-)
dberkmen said:
george h said:
dberkmen said:
Hmmm very nice, but a TurboS is half a second quicker to 100kmh on 'std tyres', and I suspect probably as quick in day to day driving....
Track days, well that's a different matter, and not as important to the average punter... Imo of course. ;-)
I wasn't aware a 911 turbo would do 0-62 in 2.6 seconds....Track days, well that's a different matter, and not as important to the average punter... Imo of course. ;-)
Do they have more than one occupant/light fuel loads?
It is one of only two new cars that I really want to put in my garage.
Sadly, I'll have to keep my fingers crossed that depreciation is cruel to the new-car buyers (I very much doubt it will be) and that in a decade there may be enough money under the matress to buy one.
The stuff dreams are made of.
Sadly, I'll have to keep my fingers crossed that depreciation is cruel to the new-car buyers (I very much doubt it will be) and that in a decade there may be enough money under the matress to buy one.
The stuff dreams are made of.
rudecherub said:
Asterix said:
andywaterfall said:
Nice review! Interesting to see the Sunday papers ignored the embargo; seems like some people aren't too happy about it: http://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/36839920177...
That's extremely bad form from The Times.FraserLFA said:
TonyHetherington said:
FraserLFA said:
I'll admit it's only a rumour, but apparently Lambo are in the early stages of developing a Gallardo replacement. It'll be a while before we see it, mind.
Of course Lambo have a forward plan regarding the Gallardo. whether they've revealed it or not is another matter, but there's no way a company such as that will get to this point in the Gallardo's life and say "oooo, blimey, we've just done the last special edition, now - what shall we replace it with?"
What I want to know is how does it compare to Ferrari in the critical Catastrophic Electrical System Failure, Randomly Bursting Into Flames and Requiring a ₤10,000 Service Every Six Months departments? Only when it proves to be devastatingly unreliable and expensive to own will Ferrari have a true rival. A You Can Only Drive It When We Say You Can edition would help, although McLaren did make brave strides in that arena with the original F1 resale policy, so I expect great things from them here.
proscriptus said:
What I want to know is how does it compare to Ferrari in the critical Catastrophic Electrical System Failure, Randomly Bursting Into Flames and Requiring a ₤10,000 Service Every Six Months departments? Only when it proves to be devastatingly unreliable and expensive to own will Ferrari have a true rival. A You Can Only Drive It When We Say You Can edition would help, although McLaren did make brave strides in that arena with the original F1 resale policy, so I expect great things from them here.
What a cr@p review
One of the most eagerly awaited automotive releases for years and the reporter uses 'clinical' in practically every paragraph. Geez, all the effort McL have put in to the car, you'd think you'd get somebody to do a review that befits the car.
And the closing paragraph... :/ screams of straw clutching.
Drivel and disappointing. Must try harder.
One of the most eagerly awaited automotive releases for years and the reporter uses 'clinical' in practically every paragraph. Geez, all the effort McL have put in to the car, you'd think you'd get somebody to do a review that befits the car.
And the closing paragraph... :/ screams of straw clutching.
Drivel and disappointing. Must try harder.
Was anyone seriously surprised that the Times broke the embargo by one day??! I bet McLaren knew they were going to do it and turned a blind eye. The only real surprise is that the Telegraph and Sun didn't do so the same on Friday and Saturday. Must be kicking themselves - and if they don't do it themselves, their bosses will certainly be administering a good beating after seeing the Times.
richlove said:
What a cr@p review
One of the most eagerly awaited automotive releases for years and the reporter uses 'clinical' in practically every paragraph. Geez, all the effort McL have put in to the car, you'd think you'd get somebody to do a review that befits the car.
And the closing paragraph... :/ screams of straw clutching.
Drivel and disappointing. Must try harder.
I gpot the feeling the review was written well before the car was driven. In fact, it tells you 10/10ths of fOne of the most eagerly awaited automotive releases for years and the reporter uses 'clinical' in practically every paragraph. Geez, all the effort McL have put in to the car, you'd think you'd get somebody to do a review that befits the car.
And the closing paragraph... :/ screams of straw clutching.
Drivel and disappointing. Must try harder.
k all about the car at all.I suspect Haymarket do not want PH to step on the toes of it's 'proper' publications who will no doubt feature 'proper' reviews.
It's a big shame, as PH represents the biggest, most knowledgable motoring community in the UK, yet the news and reviews Haymarket allows it to publish, would embarrass Cliosport, never mind PH.
Oh well.
TonyHetherington said:
That was the point - it was written, using the word clinical, purposefully - he even clarified the word at the beginning?!
Um, thanks Tony - I did read the first line as well and did see that don't worryThat is my whole point exactly. One of the most unimaginative and uninspiring reviews of any car i've read for a long time, let alone for an eagerly awaited release such as this
Can't agree there - the relationship between the press, PR agencies and clients is pretty sacrosanct when it comes to this sort of thing.
Embargoes are there for a specific reason - Look at Chris Harris' reaction. It simply isn't done. It can lead to mutual distrust where other publications start to ignore them because they assume that at least one other will. This then means agencies and clients don't trust the media and it becomes a vicious circle.
You can barter for exclusives, as it is a respected strategy, but you can not break the bounds of a formal Embargo.
Embargoes are there for a specific reason - Look at Chris Harris' reaction. It simply isn't done. It can lead to mutual distrust where other publications start to ignore them because they assume that at least one other will. This then means agencies and clients don't trust the media and it becomes a vicious circle.
You can barter for exclusives, as it is a respected strategy, but you can not break the bounds of a formal Embargo.
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