Chris Harris takes on Ferrari on US website....in a big way
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Chapppers said:
Pesty said:
sounds like something top gear should do.
do a comparis test with customer cars and press cars.
Or borrow a certain millionaire band-member's Enzo?do a comparis test with customer cars and press cars.
Either they are a special case or this is all a bit of a storm in a tea-cup.
It says a lot about Ferrari but also an awful lot about car journalists.
They knew the wool was being pulled over their eyes, but would still report on the characteristics of 'a' car without mentioning that there were two separate setups. Both sides, to a degree got what they wanted and Ferrari could not have obtained this position without co-operation, based less on reporting accurate fact, but generating articles that sell magazines.
They knew the wool was being pulled over their eyes, but would still report on the characteristics of 'a' car without mentioning that there were two separate setups. Both sides, to a degree got what they wanted and Ferrari could not have obtained this position without co-operation, based less on reporting accurate fact, but generating articles that sell magazines.
hornetrider said:
Fittster said:
Hmm, slagging off Ferrari and the MX-5 in one week.
The thought occurred to me as well, though the claimed Ferrari antics sound much more believable than his opinion of the MX5.
And to give credit where its due, this rant was a much more enjoyable read.Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 16th February 06:33
anonymous said:
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Yes, but it does not stop millions buying one product and will not stop most ppl buying the other if they could.I think most ppl don't realise, Ferrari have been like this since the days of Enzo, what is so earth shattering new that Chris Harris has said? Nothing.
And I suspect there are far more manufacturers out there who act the same. God forbid he ever test drives a new Porsche 911 (yawn) with none standard rims, none standard rubber, will he fly off the handle?
As Ferrari weere created for racing first and road cars came second, one can see their DNA and their reasons, I understand if someone as tempermental as CH comes along Ferrari will say no.
As Porsche slide into VAG umbrella, (and basically apart from customer cars are really not into racing are they) They will become opposite of Ferrari, soft, apprachable,cuddly, putting Porsche bits in VW & Audi cars will be their main priority .
Whereas Ferrari will be thinking about racing the new Mclaren in GT racing, I can understand their attitude.
Oh and another awful piece writeen by a so called respected journalist, where did he get that respect from?
I think it's the time of the month for him.
Edited by Harji on Wednesday 16th February 06:52
This comes as no surprise. Manufacturers have tweaked press cars for years although seemingly not to the extent that Ferrari does.
I think it's great that CH has brought the subject up. I wonder if any of the magazines will be ballsy enough to switch to customer cars for tests...? OK, they won't be first on the shelves, but there'll be a realistic outcome.
The John Homes reference was funny. Surely a large proportion of Ferraris are sold on the basis of their ego massaging abilities anyway...?
I think it's great that CH has brought the subject up. I wonder if any of the magazines will be ballsy enough to switch to customer cars for tests...? OK, they won't be first on the shelves, but there'll be a realistic outcome.
The John Homes reference was funny. Surely a large proportion of Ferraris are sold on the basis of their ego massaging abilities anyway...?
Harji said:
And I suspect there are far more manufacturers out there who act the same. God forbid he ever test drives a new Porsche 911 (yawn) with none standard rims, none standard rubber, will he fly off the handle?
As Ferrari weere created for racing first and road cars came second, one can see their DNA and their reasons, I understand if someone as tempermental as CH comes along Ferrari will say no.
As Porsche slide into VAG umbrella, (and basically apart from customer cars are really not into racing are they) They will become opposite of Ferrari, soft, apprachable,cuddly, putting Porsche bits in VW & Audi cars will be their main priority .
Whereas Ferrari will be thinking about racing the new Mclaren in GT racing, I can understand their attitude.
Oh and another awful piece writeen by a so called respected journalist, where did he get that respect from?
I think it's the time of the month for him.
You're obviously a hard man to please. Finally a journo with some driving skills and an ability to convey the message grows some balls and sticks it to The Man.As Ferrari weere created for racing first and road cars came second, one can see their DNA and their reasons, I understand if someone as tempermental as CH comes along Ferrari will say no.
As Porsche slide into VAG umbrella, (and basically apart from customer cars are really not into racing are they) They will become opposite of Ferrari, soft, apprachable,cuddly, putting Porsche bits in VW & Audi cars will be their main priority .
Whereas Ferrari will be thinking about racing the new Mclaren in GT racing, I can understand their attitude.
Oh and another awful piece writeen by a so called respected journalist, where did he get that respect from?
I think it's the time of the month for him.
I've owned both marques Porsche and Ferrari, and the gulf in integrity (both engineering and marketing) is tangible. There seems to be no relationship between F's road cars and their racing. On the other hand, a customer can buy a road GT3 and with little modification, take it GT racing. I have.
A GT team in my domestic champs has taken a similar approach with a 430 and discovered the car is utterly unsuited to racing.
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