RE: Aston Martin Cygnet Explored/Explained
Discussion
Pixel Pusher said:
...Or buy the Cygnet and save Aston. Quite a dilemma.
Now can anybody put me right here. I thought that although Ford had sold Aston, they kept a stake in it. Look at Ferrari; no small town car so Fiat must have that covered for them. Lambo; no small town car but assume Audi will have that covered. Porsche have their hybrids.....enough said, but without them, VW would have it covered.
So, why is it (if Ford have a stake) that the baby Fords can not contibute to the average CO2 figures for Aston?
Jaguar won't have a problem being tata owned who make gazillions of those little motorised rickshaws the nano http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...Now can anybody put me right here. I thought that although Ford had sold Aston, they kept a stake in it. Look at Ferrari; no small town car so Fiat must have that covered for them. Lambo; no small town car but assume Audi will have that covered. Porsche have their hybrids.....enough said, but without them, VW would have it covered.
So, why is it (if Ford have a stake) that the baby Fords can not contibute to the average CO2 figures for Aston?
Could anyone point me to a .pdf or similar, outlining the EU regs that require each car manufacturer to meet a maximum average CO2 value across the range? Such legislation seems to make no sense at all, and although I've heard about it often enough (mostly in connection with the iQ/Cygnet thing), I've never actually found any hard evidence.
Besides, Porsche are hardly likely to make the grade with their current line up (even considering the future 'small' Porsche), nor Rolls, Maybach, Lamborghini etc etc. So why does Aston seem to have to fulfil this 'average CO2' legislation?
Besides, Porsche are hardly likely to make the grade with their current line up (even considering the future 'small' Porsche), nor Rolls, Maybach, Lamborghini etc etc. So why does Aston seem to have to fulfil this 'average CO2' legislation?
Fatman2 said:
What I don't understand is why they couldn't just do it properly and make a baby Aston in the same vein as the SMART Roadster and Lotus Elise. A compact, lightweight, small engined 2 seater with genuine appeal.
I really quite like the IQ but this is not what I'd expect from AM
Simple, CostI really quite like the IQ but this is not what I'd expect from AM
Body has already been crash tested
Engines are fully tested, i.e. emissions crap and type approval.
Changing a few panels and the interior, in the relative scheme of things is peanuts.
Thing is AM don't want to make these types of cars. Unfortunately Eurocrats see different and so to keep selling their desired car types they have to make something along the lines of this.
Look at it this way,
1. You want to build your next generation GT car and have 300m to invest.
2. Eurocrats say you have to lower your average emissions.
3. So either, spend your 300m on developing a small car with low emissions that detracts from the brand and have no new GT car, or Spend a couple of mil doing this to shut the eurocrats up and the rest on your new GT car.
tbox is.Richard A said:
Could anyone point me to a .pdf or similar, outlining the EU regs that require each car manufacturer to meet a maximum average CO2 value across the range? Such legislation seems to make no sense at all, and although I've heard about it often enough (mostly in connection with the iQ/Cygnet thing), I've never actually found any hard evidence.
Besides, Porsche are hardly likely to make the grade with their current line up (even considering the future 'small' Porsche), nor Rolls, Maybach, Lamborghini etc etc. So why does Aston seem to have to fulfil this 'average CO2' legislation?
I think Porsche will be OK because of the hybrids and getting into bed with VW.Besides, Porsche are hardly likely to make the grade with their current line up (even considering the future 'small' Porsche), nor Rolls, Maybach, Lamborghini etc etc. So why does Aston seem to have to fulfil this 'average CO2' legislation?
Rolls / BMW
Maybach / Merc
Lambo / Audi
This is what I'm trying to get my head around. Most Niche marques have a parent building CO2 offsetting babies for them.
In fairness, if I was a city based big flyer who spends £30k on a wristwatch and £10 on Lunch and wanted a car, one of these little snot-boxes would be ideal and save the eco-charge in london, and which little city car would I pick? The way over-popular Smart? the cheap and cheerful C1/107, a Ford KA, a Dawoo?
No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
Hmm.. not sure what to think about the Cygnet. I fully understand why Aston Martin need a small car with low emissions, but I'd rather see a proper small engined car from an Aston Martin design, not a rebadged overpriced Toyota. The 'handcrafted in england' thing is abit of a gimmik too, a fancy leather interior and aluminium grille doesnt hide the fact its a japenese city car. But having said that, basing it on an IQ gives them the low emissions and is a lot cheaper than coming up with something 'fom scratch' meaning they shouldnt be wasting too much money on this which could be used on a new 'proper' Aston.
I believe there's increasing market potential for a luxurious supermini but it remains to be seen as to whether that market will tolerate a £30,000 knock.
So erm, yeah, I guess if you wanted supermini that's genuinely a nice place to sit as well as being frugal and cheap to tax, then maybe the Cygnet isn't all that bad?
So erm, yeah, I guess if you wanted supermini that's genuinely a nice place to sit as well as being frugal and cheap to tax, then maybe the Cygnet isn't all that bad?
Petrolhead_Rich said:
In fairness, if I was a city based big flyer who spends £30k on a wristwatch and £10 on Lunch and wanted a car, one of these little snot-boxes would be ideal and save the eco-charge in london, and which little city car would I pick? The way over-popular Smart? the cheap and cheerful C1/107, a Ford KA, a Dawoo?
No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
I would say you buy the Smart actually. At least that was designed from the ground up to be what it is not some Toyota with badges on.No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
That's like your £30k watch that says Rolex, but it's actually based on a Timex.
RDRR said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
In fairness, if I was a city based big flyer who spends £30k on a wristwatch and £10 on Lunch and wanted a car, one of these little snot-boxes would be ideal and save the eco-charge in london, and which little city car would I pick? The way over-popular Smart? the cheap and cheerful C1/107, a Ford KA, a Dawoo?
No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
I would say you buy the Smart actually. At least that was designed from the ground up to be what it is not some Toyota with badges on.No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
That's like your £30k watch that says Rolex, but it's actually based on a Timex.
Pixel Pusher said:
RDRR said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
In fairness, if I was a city based big flyer who spends £30k on a wristwatch and £10 on Lunch and wanted a car, one of these little snot-boxes would be ideal and save the eco-charge in london, and which little city car would I pick? The way over-popular Smart? the cheap and cheerful C1/107, a Ford KA, a Dawoo?
No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
I would say you buy the Smart actually. At least that was designed from the ground up to be what it is not some Toyota with badges on.No, I'd pick an aston, because although it is a snot box, it's as well build as my £500K Marble Bathroom.
Still a bloody snot box though, I'll have a DB9 please!
That's like your £30k watch that says Rolex, but it's actually based on a Timex.
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