RE: A Return To Straight Six Engines For Aston?

[cptsideways]

Nothing to do with Cosworth having developed a load goodies for the 3.0L six pot Toyota JZ & seen what they can do reliably. Of course I'm only guessing where the idea might have come from.

[Dagnut]

McClaren release an FI car and suddenly everyone's on board with the idea.Funny that.

[c_seven]

Wadeski said:

yes, ordinary cars like this:






i mean....YAWWWN.

Well is we are being picky the 300sl was a 3.0 and the xkss was a 3.4 and I am sure that with Aston's design department, while it may look familiar, the new car will be anything but ordinary. The engine choice however, is not exactly the forefront of innovation.

[dinkel]

LukeBird said:

It sounds like a cracking idea.
I wonder whether the market would agree though? I can't help but think at Aston's price-point (current, at least!) it's rather a case of V8 and V12 or nothing...

It will depend on power. Ferrari and BMW have similar thoughts . . .

[sootyrumble]

c_seven said:

Well is we are being picky the 300sl was a 3.0 and the xkss was a 3.4 and I am sure that with Aston's design department, while it may look familiar, the new car will be anything but ordinary. The engine choice however, is not exactly the forefront of innovation.

To be fair the Aston engine compared to many now is a bit poo and antiquated if anything its stone age.

Aston a 6ltr v12 which produces 510bhp and 420ftlb of torque in the DBS is only producing 85bhp and 70ftlb of torque per litre
Ferraris 6ltr v12 is producing 611bhp and 448ftlb of torque so 101.8bhp and 74.7ftlb of torque.
New Lambo V12 6.5ltr produces 700bhp and 509ftlb of torque or 107.7bhp and 78.3ftlbs of torque per litre

[300bhp/ton]

Dagnut said:

McClaren release an FI car and suddenly everyone's on board with the idea.Funny that.

Yeah, turbocharging is very very new. Never been seen by the likes of Porsche, Lotus, TVR, Pontiac, Ferrari.

And just don't even mentioned that new fangled thing supercharging, you'd never find the like of Bentley, Jaguar, Ford, Mercedes or even Aston using it.

[kambites]

c_seven said:

Well is we are being picky the 300sl was a 3.0 and the xkss was a 3.4 and I am sure that with Aston's design department, while it may look familiar, the new car will be anything but ordinary. The engine choice however, is not exactly the forefront of innovation.

Well it's a damned slight more "forefront of innovation" than a normally aspired V12.

[JoePie]

I really can't see the problem here. I'm a BMW big six man and was disappointed when the new 335i was announced as being turboed but market forces and emissions regulations rule. In fact I'd be quite happy if they just used beemer engines and spent the development money on producing something light and as beautiful as that Zagato. Small engines don't necessarily mean small performance.
As long as it's better than the sluggish thirsty muted s/c six they used in the DB7.

Edited by JoePie on Thursday 24th February 10:32

[rhinochopig]

c_seven said:

fido said:

jake15919 said:

c_seven said:

I can't help thinking a 2.5 blown six is a bit ordinary, I mean it's a Subaru engine give or take a cylinder.

Wow the relaxation of the licencing laws is really starting to kick in.

+1. Give or take a whole different engine configuration and different number of cylinders it's practically the same.

The joy of Pistonheads, everyones a pedant! I know they were a different configuration, I was simply illustrating the point that I believe customers in the market for a car at that price point want to see as little similarity as possible to something they are likely to encounter in their local supermarket car park. I think we all accept smaller capacity forced induction engines are the way of things and some headline innovation is likely the way to sell the change. Although a boxer engine.....

They're not being pedants. The atypical Subaru engine is a flat 4, which is about as far away as you can get mechanically from a straight 6.

[iain1970]

If an Aston still goes like stink and is a bit more economical on the go-go juice, what's the problem?

[Snoggledog]

c_seven said:

Of course we all know the reasons things are moving this way, but I can't help thinking a 2.5 blown six is a bit ordinary, I mean it's a Subaru engine give or take a cylinder. Purely from a consumer perceptions perspective surely they have to do something interesting to break the (deserved) fixation with big V's. Three liter supercharged straight six with Fiat's clever twin-air technology anyone?

Eh? Almost every single Subaru engine has been a flat 4 or a flat 6. You know, like you get in a Porsche only minus a couple of cylinders in some cases. I don't see people buying a Legacy when they could buy a 911.

Straight 6's are found in older M series Beemers, Nissan Skylines, some TVR's, the AC Ace, some Triumphs, some Astons and a whole host of other cars.

[300bhp/ton]

Snoggledog said:

c_seven said:

Of course we all know the reasons things are moving this way, but I can't help thinking a 2.5 blown six is a bit ordinary, I mean it's a Subaru engine give or take a cylinder. Purely from a consumer perceptions perspective surely they have to do something interesting to break the (deserved) fixation with big V's. Three liter supercharged straight six with Fiat's clever twin-air technology anyone?

Eh? Almost every single Subaru engine has been a flat 4 or a flat 6. You know, like you get in a Porsche only minus a couple of cylinders in some cases. I don't see people buying a Legacy when they could buy a 911.

Straight 6's are found in older M series Beemers, Nissan Skylines, some TVR's, the AC Ace, some Triumphs, some Astons and a whole host of other cars.

Regardless of the specifics of their post. They make a valid point.

If you are looking at stats, or when someone asks "what engine is it". Would you rather say 2.5 litre or 6.0 litre V12?

If it's the former, then this is the wrong forum for you.

[kambites]

300bhp/ton said:

Regardless of the specifics of their post. They make a valid point.

If you are looking at stats, or when someone asks "what engine is it". Would you rather say 2.5 litre or 6.0 litre V12?

If it's the former, then this is the wrong forum for you.

Why on earth would you care what you tell someone else when they ask you about the car.

[300bhp/ton]

kambites said:

300bhp/ton said:

Regardless of the specifics of their post. They make a valid point.

If you are looking at stats, or when someone asks "what engine is it". Would you rather say 2.5 litre or 6.0 litre V12?

If it's the former, then this is the wrong forum for you.

Why on earth would you care what you tell someone else when they ask you about the car.

If you don't, then I suspect you are in the minority <1% maybe.

Also if such things didn't matter, you wouldn't buy an Aston (or any supercar really) in the first place.

[Podie]

300bhp/ton said:

kambites said:

300bhp/ton said:

Regardless of the specifics of their post. They make a valid point.

If you are looking at stats, or when someone asks "what engine is it". Would you rather say 2.5 litre or 6.0 litre V12?

If it's the former, then this is the wrong forum for you.

Why on earth would you care what you tell someone else when they ask you about the car.

If you don't, then I suspect you are in the minority <1% maybe.

Also if such things didn't matter, you wouldn't buy an Aston (or any supercar really) in the first place.

Because it's fast.

[jazzyjeff]

Preparing myself for a monumental flaming here - but although the thought of a brand new Aston straight six is a romantic and attractive idea, in my view the money involved would be far better spent by Aston in further developing and cleaning up the existing V8 and V12 ranges plus taking a leaf out of Mr Fisker's book and introducing a range-extending hybrid drivetrain instead. Aston need to jump on the hybrid bandwagon sometime soon before it rattles off into the sunset and leaves them standing still and looking like true dinosaurs. Plus, if they managed to shift enough units it would enable them to kill off that ugly swan-child

JJ

[kambites]

300bhp/ton said:

If you don't, then I suspect you are in the minority <1% maybe.

Also if such things didn't matter, you wouldn't buy an Aston (or any supercar really) in the first place.

Are you really saying that the only reason to buy a supercar is to show off to other people?

[300bhp/ton]

Podie said:

300bhp/ton said:

kambites said:

300bhp/ton said:

Regardless of the specifics of their post. They make a valid point.

If you are looking at stats, or when someone asks "what engine is it". Would you rather say 2.5 litre or 6.0 litre V12?

If it's the former, then this is the wrong forum for you.

Why on earth would you care what you tell someone else when they ask you about the car.

If you don't, then I suspect you are in the minority <1% maybe.

Also if such things didn't matter, you wouldn't buy an Aston (or any supercar really) in the first place.

Because it's fast.

So are lots of cars. But if looks, image don't matter then you'd buy something else. An Evo maybe.

But these things do - or at least to a lot of people.

Bigger engines, Vee engines, large displacement engines are all somewhat rarer in the UK, so thusly hold more of an exclusivity factor and help identify such cars as something beyond the norm.


I mean, which would you rather, a 458 powered by a V8 or a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder turbo? Do you honestly think the latter would hold the same appeal?

[kambites]

300bhp/ton said:

I mean, which would you rather, a 458 powered by a V8 or a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder turbo? Do you honestly think the latter would hold the same appeal?

If it responded the same in all circumstances and sounded the same, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Why would I?

[300bhp/ton]

kambites said:

300bhp/ton said:

I mean, which would you rather, a 458 powered by a V8 or a 2.2 litre 4 cylinder turbo? Do you honestly think the latter would hold the same appeal?

If it responded the same in all circumstances and sounded the same, I wouldn't care in the slightest. Why would I?

Then you truly are in the minority (IMO). And it respond the same or sound the same. It also wouldn't be as exclusive or sexy, as you can by a Fiesta with a similar motor in.