RE: Driven: Porsche Cayman R
Discussion
Why oh why can't they just give the Cayman the assets it deserves? IMHO the Cayman chassis has far more potential than the 911 and looks better too. Stick a proper twin turbo 3.8 in it from the 911 Turbo, give it some wide rubber, bigger brakes, a proper limited slip diff - maybe even 4 wheel drive and the Cayman would wipe the floor with any 911. Why must it always be kept as the 'second tier' model??
I'd rather see it stay RWD and take the engine from the GT3, personally. 409bhp would be enough and I don't think a turbocharged engine would really suit it. Then give it a linear steering rack, put it on a proper weight reduction program a la GT3RS and you'd end up with a lovely car. 
450Nick said:
Why oh why can't they just give the Cayman the assets it deserves? IMHO the Cayman chassis has far more potential than the 911 and looks better too. Stick a proper twin turbo 3.8 in it from the 911 Turbo, give it some wide rubber, bigger brakes, a proper limited slip diff - maybe even 4 wheel drive and the Cayman would wipe the floor with any 911. Why must it always be kept as the 'second tier' model??
Simple product tiering. I know but it just pains me slightly to see the car held back like that. My father had a Cayman S and now has a Carerra 2S Cabrio, and frankly the 911 just feels lardy in comparisson. The 911 might be better for cruising but the Cayman is much more fun to drive and much more pointy/nimble. With a bit more power it would be an animal of a car.
It seems to me that Porsche are really just worried about sales figures rather than making a serious car.
Only 10bhp from their "upgrades"!!!!????
Std Gen 2 car with remap, air filter and exhaust can get an awful lot more and its seriously cheaper than trading in and getting this model.
Gen 2 Cayman power curve
The use of the "R" name as well is not really warranted and poor form IMO.
Only 10bhp from their "upgrades"!!!!????
Std Gen 2 car with remap, air filter and exhaust can get an awful lot more and its seriously cheaper than trading in and getting this model.
Gen 2 Cayman power curve
The use of the "R" name as well is not really warranted and poor form IMO.
450Nick said:
Why oh why can't they just give the Cayman the assets it deserves? IMHO the Cayman chassis has far more potential than the 911 and looks better too. Stick a proper twin turbo 3.8 in it from the 911 Turbo, give it some wide rubber, bigger brakes, a proper limited slip diff - maybe even 4 wheel drive and the Cayman would wipe the floor with any 911. Why must it always be kept as the 'second tier' model??
Firstly it would cost double the price of the 'R', secondly 'wide rubber, bigger brakes' and '4wd' would f*ck up the Cayman's best point, its sweet steering.SS7
Marf said:
subzero said:
Only 10bhp from their "upgrades"!!!!????
Seems to me the upgrade is more about sound than power?!?!?!?!?!?They wanted to increase the noise, and rightly remapped the car with the new exhaust??!?!?!?!
For £4k extra over std, are you really buying anything that special? Does it offer value for money?
Is it going to lose its value at the same rate? Probably. We're not looking at a future classic here.
As Adam says at the end of the article, buying an original model and putting some cash in to some very basic mods could acheive a much more potent effect.
Is the LSD only available with the PDK model like the std car as well?
Another rip off from the "premium" manufacturers. "Give us more money and we'll give you less product" seems to be their ethos. As the writer points out, if you put back the air con and stereo you've negated most of the weight saving. And an extra 10BHP?! Pah! Hardly worth the effort. This one's just for badge snobs if you ask me.
Ok, so in general agreement with most of the comments above, the holy grail question seems to be can anyone recommend a specialist who can take a 2006/7 Cayman S and:
pop on a GT3 manifold / throttle body,
upgrade to a stainless exhaust, ideally with bypass valves,
perhaps upgrade the induction if necessary,
re-map as that always seems to be necessary
And leave the car tractable and refined enough for long journeys etc.
Any idea of cost?
It would be great to take weight out too, but seats and a/c is pushing things too far in the cost vs weight-saving equation for a road car. Ideas welcome though...
pop on a GT3 manifold / throttle body,
upgrade to a stainless exhaust, ideally with bypass valves,
perhaps upgrade the induction if necessary,
re-map as that always seems to be necessary
And leave the car tractable and refined enough for long journeys etc.
Any idea of cost?
It would be great to take weight out too, but seats and a/c is pushing things too far in the cost vs weight-saving equation for a road car. Ideas welcome though...
sideways sid said:
Ok, so in general agreement with most of the comments above, the holy grail question seems to be can anyone recommend a specialist who can take a 2006/7 Cayman S and:
pop on a GT3 manifold / throttle body,
upgrade to a stainless exhaust, ideally with bypass valves,
perhaps upgrade the induction if necessary,
re-map as that always seems to be necessary
And leave the car tractable and refined enough for long journeys etc.
Any idea of cost?
It would be great to take weight out too, but seats and a/c is pushing things too far in the cost vs weight-saving equation for a road car. Ideas welcome though...
I'd throw in KW V3 or Blistein PSS9. pop on a GT3 manifold / throttle body,
upgrade to a stainless exhaust, ideally with bypass valves,
perhaps upgrade the induction if necessary,
re-map as that always seems to be necessary
And leave the car tractable and refined enough for long journeys etc.
Any idea of cost?
It would be great to take weight out too, but seats and a/c is pushing things too far in the cost vs weight-saving equation for a road car. Ideas welcome though...
450Nick said:
I know but it just pains me slightly to see the car held back like that. My father had a Cayman S and now has a Carerra 2S Cabrio, and frankly the 911 just feels lardy in comparisson. The 911 might be better for cruising but the Cayman is much more fun to drive and much more pointy/nimble. With a bit more power it would be an animal of a car.
Owned both and don't agree.911 is still the better drive imo, you're right, it might not feel as nimble, but the 911 is more interactive, plus you have to drive the 911 a certain way to get the best out of it, the Cayman offers best of breed steering and handling (or used to until the Evora), but once you get use to it, it's a bit boring imo. I probably wouldn't buy another Cayman, but would buy a 911. My wife prefers the Cayman over the 911; I can see why, its sooo balanced and easy to drive fast.
I am by no means a huge Porsche fan. But this by some distance best all-round sports car you can buy.
Before people with their 1996 lotus elises start moaning about the weight, i think 1,295kg is light. For a modern car, with all the luxuries, safety equipment, solid build quality and not to mention a 6 cylinder engine - i don't think that's bad at all.
330bhp in a 1295kg sports car is plenty, this thing would destroy an E46 M3 in a straight line and waste it even more round the bends.
This is a car which you can use every day, has a high quality interior, will be reliable, get 30mpg, goes like stink and stick a sports exhaust to make it sound superb. Plus its a Porsche (if that's your thing!)
Before people with their 1996 lotus elises start moaning about the weight, i think 1,295kg is light. For a modern car, with all the luxuries, safety equipment, solid build quality and not to mention a 6 cylinder engine - i don't think that's bad at all.
330bhp in a 1295kg sports car is plenty, this thing would destroy an E46 M3 in a straight line and waste it even more round the bends.
This is a car which you can use every day, has a high quality interior, will be reliable, get 30mpg, goes like stink and stick a sports exhaust to make it sound superb. Plus its a Porsche (if that's your thing!)
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