RE: Ferrari FF - In The Metal At Last!
Discussion
Trommel said:
It didn't really offer anything much over the 288 GTO apart from a headline-grabbing top speed.
and a motorsport legacy, given the canning of Group B and the demise of the 288GTOs intentions there?It offered a whole lot more than the F50 did over the F40, which was a crass and nasty car, however good to drive it is supposed to be.
Garlick said:
I liked it 
In fact, it was my unofficial car of the show yesterday.....seems I might be in the minority?
Nope, i liked it too. More so than the LP700 which i thought was a bit too busy in the styling. Around the rear 3/4 area there are so many lines and angles it's a bit of a mess.In fact, it was my unofficial car of the show yesterday.....seems I might be in the minority?
The FF is smooth, classy and different at the same time. It's frikking huge though, I sat in the back behind another 6-footer and i'd happily sit in the back for a few hours.
ZOLLAR said:
Just out of curiosity, will there be a news thread showing all the other cars on show?, I do obviously like drooling over pictures of Lambo's, ferrari etc but wouldn't mind seeing what else is on show.
Will there be one once you've all gotten home and settled back into office life
You wanna head over to the chaps who sit on t'other side of the office from Herr Galick and the other PHers:Will there be one once you've all gotten home and settled back into office life
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/...
Beefmeister said:
ZOLLAR said:
Just out of curiosity, will there be a news thread showing all the other cars on show?, I do obviously like drooling over pictures of Lambo's, ferrari etc but wouldn't mind seeing what else is on show.
Will there be one once you've all gotten home and settled back into office life
You wanna head over to the chaps who sit on t'other side of the office from Herr Galick and the other PHers:Will there be one once you've all gotten home and settled back into office life
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/...
, I like looking at Lamborghini's etc but it is nice to see what else is on show 
.I note that Harry Metcalfe has ordered one. Good for him & for us because we will get a non-biased report from him once he gets his hands on one although that probably isnt going to be until January 2012.
I have to say that if i had the money i would probably purchase one just for the novelty sake. A four wheel drive hatch-back Ferrari with a V12 in the front?
Mmmmm. Me thinks that might be good....
I have to say that if i had the money i would probably purchase one just for the novelty sake. A four wheel drive hatch-back Ferrari with a V12 in the front?
Mmmmm. Me thinks that might be good....
doogz said:
jagfan2 said:
Doogz
Your right,
Rear wheel torque will be Crank Torque x Gear ratio x Rear Axle Final Drive ratio 1st gear is normally like 15:1, 2nd 10:1 etc ~(these days its 5/6th that are 1:1, with 6/7/8/9 being overdrives
i assume there is some king of reduction drive in there to get it close to axle ratio if nothing else, if not close to second gear so 10:1 overall. Its not clear if there is a diff eaiter or if they have L/R clutch packs to do torque vectoring.
Its very interesting from where i am sitting, trying to find more info
I figured something like that would be geared fairly long, 4th was just a guess though.Your right,
Rear wheel torque will be Crank Torque x Gear ratio x Rear Axle Final Drive ratio 1st gear is normally like 15:1, 2nd 10:1 etc ~(these days its 5/6th that are 1:1, with 6/7/8/9 being overdrives
i assume there is some king of reduction drive in there to get it close to axle ratio if nothing else, if not close to second gear so 10:1 overall. Its not clear if there is a diff eaiter or if they have L/R clutch packs to do torque vectoring.
Its very interesting from where i am sitting, trying to find more info
When you say axle ratio though, what do you mean? The FD in the rear diff? What difference would that make, as that may or may not have no bearing on the ratio at the rear, depending on which gear is selected?
If you do find any more on it, please let me know, i'd be interested to have a read at it.
Cheers.
Anyway reading the C&D article it explains it, its a 2sp with reverse box with the 2 ratios sitting between 1/2 and 3/4 respectively (assume the gear bottom right is the selector/sychro mech. There is no final drive and diff, this is handled by 2 clutches, so you can fully disconnect or connect/slip either or both L/R shafts. This is becmmong fairly common now, number of 4WD suppliers have similar systems, both as front or rear diffs.
Its strange though, need to have a think about how this works for dynamics, as your likely to be trying to overspeed or underspeed the front wheels most of the time, which isnt ideal, but kinda clever as this is the principals of how torque vectoring works
Fun stuff though if your a driveline geek like me!
zebedee said:
It offered a whole lot more than the F50 did over the F40, which was a crass and nasty car, however good to drive it is supposed to be.
If this is a pop at the F50, you really don't know what you're talking about. Crass and nasty? What a load of old b
ks. It's not only in a completely different league to the F40 when it comes to quality and depth of engineering, it really is astonishingly good to drive (note: 'is' not 'supposed to be'). Trommel said:
Enzo wouldn't give a stuff.
The F40 (as cool as it might be) was a cynical marketing exercise which happened to be good to drive.
Back in the day I remember one or two journalists at the time (Car Magazine when it was important from memory) saying that the F40 was a cynical marketing exercise.The F40 (as cool as it might be) was a cynical marketing exercise which happened to be good to drive.
You would never get Porsche cynically managing their marketing like this
PS A well known magazine owner has just ordered an FF. You have to wonder!
456mgt said:
If this is a pop at the F50, you really don't know what you're talking about. Crass and nasty? What a load of old bks. It's not only in a completely different league to the F40 when it comes to quality and depth of engineering, it really is astonishingly good to drive (note: 'is' not 'supposed to be').
It is more the complete absence of style/aggression, I acknowledged that it is supposed to be good to drive (unlike you I haven't driven one) but I certainly wouldn't want one. I would love an F40 however.ks. It's not only in a completely different league to the F40 when it comes to quality and depth of engineering, it really is astonishingly good to drive (note: 'is' not 'supposed to be'). Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff