RE: Bowler Nemesis Joins Spyker At CPP
Discussion
I for one think it's great news. Bowler came on leaps and bounds with quality and development, CPP will only further this, and if Bowler can grow all the better.
Nissan in Sunderland is one of the most productive plants in the world (the most productive in Europe), BMW MINI in Oxford churning out the thick end of quarter of a million cars per annum, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lotus, Aston Martin, McLaren, Toyota and honda to name but a few more, and that's before we look at taxis, vans and goods vehicles and the smaller guys like Caterham, Ariel, Westfield, Morgan and so on.
We might not do the ownership & management of multinational car companies very well, but we're hardly short of mass manufacturing, and we're also responsible for a hell of a lot of very highly respected industry figures, designers, engineers, and other related folks.
I'd say recognising what we've got and not sounding quite so downtrodden about it would be the first step in playing to our strengths.
For a tiny little island which is slipping into mediocrity in so many other areas, this is one that we can most definitely say we're pretty damn good at.
jagman21 said:
Sorry to dampen things, I feel this is an over expansion for cpp, a business I very much respect, it is I assume awash with cash from it Russian owner, acting like a spoilt child in a toy shop, just wait till the child gets bored with his toys and they end up in the skip. He'll realise he's soon ruined a perfectly good if not small business, remember tvr anyone, even Mg-rover had a similar ending. Sometime small is beautiful.
Let's us agree that mass manfacturing British cars is over, for now. And let's be proud that rolls, bentley and Aston even now Mclaren are all built on these shores, cars that the rest of the world is envious of, let alone all the f1 companies we have, we have great automotive industry here, let's play to our strengths.
As a nation we play a huge hand in the designing, tooling, and manufacturing of a great range of cars for a great number of companies, and while the companies might not be british owned, the cars are built by [predominantly] british workforces, in british factories on british turf.Let's us agree that mass manfacturing British cars is over, for now. And let's be proud that rolls, bentley and Aston even now Mclaren are all built on these shores, cars that the rest of the world is envious of, let alone all the f1 companies we have, we have great automotive industry here, let's play to our strengths.
Nissan in Sunderland is one of the most productive plants in the world (the most productive in Europe), BMW MINI in Oxford churning out the thick end of quarter of a million cars per annum, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lotus, Aston Martin, McLaren, Toyota and honda to name but a few more, and that's before we look at taxis, vans and goods vehicles and the smaller guys like Caterham, Ariel, Westfield, Morgan and so on.
We might not do the ownership & management of multinational car companies very well, but we're hardly short of mass manufacturing, and we're also responsible for a hell of a lot of very highly respected industry figures, designers, engineers, and other related folks.
I'd say recognising what we've got and not sounding quite so downtrodden about it would be the first step in playing to our strengths.
For a tiny little island which is slipping into mediocrity in so many other areas, this is one that we can most definitely say we're pretty damn good at.
davepoth said:
I don't think it's too much of an expansion. Bowler is effectively a "blokes in sheds" organisation, where crucially, the profit margin is not so much based upon production scale.
Besides, Spyker would have needed to buy in a lot of licensed stuff to build this:
so it probably makes sense to just buy the company and avoid the extra spending. CPP also get a lot of chassis technicians, which I guess they wouldn't have had before.
Dr Bez confirmed that Lagonda was coming back at Geneva possibly with a Mercedes tie-up. Seems to me that as CPP had a hand in the one-77 and now the Nemesis it can only strengthen their case for it being outsourced to them.Besides, Spyker would have needed to buy in a lot of licensed stuff to build this:
so it probably makes sense to just buy the company and avoid the extra spending. CPP also get a lot of chassis technicians, which I guess they wouldn't have had before.
My concern with the over expansion of cpp is that it is not historically a manufacturer, but a contractor in sheet metal works, it has done great work in area of superforming aluminium sheet metal for alot of manufacturers. It's has clearly successfully tapped the use of aluminium to lighten sports and luxury cars for performance and environmental reasons. It can also cOmmended for combining old world and new technologies, they still have people hammering out the wing mirrors on the spyker to a mirror finish, and they still dabble in classic car restoration, with craftsmen patiently wheeling panels, in the time honoured tradition.
I hope they are successful, and are exactly the sort of innovative companies we need in the uk, I just hope the the company will survive with being steered a new business plan. I was quite happy with it behind the scenes work tbh.
I hope they are successful, and are exactly the sort of innovative companies we need in the uk, I just hope the the company will survive with being steered a new business plan. I was quite happy with it behind the scenes work tbh.
Sorry to bring this back up but I've only just seen it.
That's great news for Bowler. I recognise that bottom picture for two reasons. Firstly I took it and secondly I must thank Drew for letting me drive that car across Dubai during rush hour. You'll be glad to know you can drive one barefooted because your flip flops are too big to fit between the pedals. Now that was a thrill !!!
I look forward to seeing the outcome of the engineering marriage.
That's great news for Bowler. I recognise that bottom picture for two reasons. Firstly I took it and secondly I must thank Drew for letting me drive that car across Dubai during rush hour. You'll be glad to know you can drive one barefooted because your flip flops are too big to fit between the pedals. Now that was a thrill !!!
I look forward to seeing the outcome of the engineering marriage.
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