RE: SOTW: VW Citi Golf

[Limpet]

Timeless shape. Like it a lot.

[The Donster]

r11co said:

Eh? What?

Your horse-racing analogy is appropriate insofar as your comments are blinkered and ignorant.

The CitiGolf is the Mk1 Golf you prat! Made by VW using the same tooling and the same procedures, not some knock off.

Typical parochial thinking.

Opinions are wonderful things - they usually bring out responses like this.

I KNOW what it's based on, I'm fully aware of that. Why do you think I put the word 'real' in inverted commas?? Resorting to call me a 'prat' just because I share a thought on a subject really is pathetic. Was it really necessary? It's a bloody car for christ sake, not your wife I'm offering up my (ill-conceived, in your eyes) wisdom on!

[EDLT]

Certainly looks tidier than most Mk1 Golfs in this price range. Its got an MOT too, unlike last week's wreck shed.

[kambites]

Nice shed. Much more appealing than anything VW make these days.

[infradig]

Cannot believe the vitriol aimed at this poor little Golf. I love my barges as much as anyone(with the possible exception of Garlick),but live and let live eh ? And this looks like a bit of a bargain ,nice alternative first car,depending on insurance.

[MrDarkBlack]

The Donster said:

Denigrates the 'real' Mk1 Golf too much.

In what way?

[Dr Mike Oxgreen]

SOTW? WTF?! POS!!

[CampDavid]

Looks a great town car

It's a 1.8T conversion away from being really rather good

[Beefmeister]

MarJay said:

Buy it, but 1.8T lump in it. Have lots of fun.

Exactamundo.

150bhp 1.8t engine, £395:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/00-MK4-GOLF-GTI-1-8T-AGU-ENG...

So you have car and engine for under £1500. Any ideas of the cost of making the transplant?

[TonyRPH]

When I lived in SA I had the 'Sport' version of one of these (from 1991 -> 1995).

The Sport version had a carburettor version of the 1.8 GTi motor.

I put a Weber on mine, ported out the inlet manifold, added a free flow exhaust and it went like stink.

Handled well too.

I can't understand why there's so much hate for the car here.

I guess you can't please all the people all the time...

They really were a MK1 underneath. The slightly revised exterior (which amounted to the updated grille, sloping front, and some creases in the 'C' pillars to reduce resonance / add strength) is the only difference.

I think in later years, they also inherited the interior from a Polo (not sure which model).

[Gallen]

Sorry - try harder next time.

1/10

[The Donster]

MrDarkBlack said:

In what way?

Firstly, thanks for responding in a polite manner.

Whilst I know it is still a Mk1 Golf, I think it's a poor pastiche of the original car. I'm not a fan of the exterior adornments the car recieved to bring it 'up-to-date' and, like the cabrio, think that production went on for a little too long. But, if there's a market for it then fair enough.

Horses for courses.

[MGJohn]

louismchuge said:

Not my thing, but the level of VAG hate on here is amazing!

Dare anyone mention DUB and this forum would implode...

Uh Oh

Amazing? Do not see that at all. Quite the opposite. Mild in comparison and still a long way off the widespread PH-Hatred for Rover product.

VW Golf ~ highly uber rated here in the former green and pleasant. A very ordinary car like most others. I drove a Golf when they first appeared here back in the 1970s. I parked my Maxi alongside one and was surprised at how similar both cars were particularly the profile and stance when viewed from the front. To this day I'm puzzled why so many Brits put this very ordinary production car on so high a pedestal.
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[britsportscars]

kambites said:

Much more appealing than anything VW make these days.

+1

[soad]

Limpet said:

Timeless shape. Like it a lot.

Yes, it looks alright. I like the rear - retro cool.

But interior quite dated (and that's putting it mildly), and price seems quite steep for what it is. Chuck in a bigger engine, and then maybe...just maybe

[JohnGoodridge]

The Donster said:

MrDarkBlack said:

In what way?

Firstly, thanks for responding in a polite manner.

Whilst I know it is still a Mk1 Golf, I think it's a poor pastiche of the original car. I'm not a fan of the exterior adornments the car recieved to bring it 'up-to-date' and, like the cabrio, think that production went on for a little too long. But, if there's a market for it then fair enough.

Horses for courses.

Ex-pat living in Cape Town at the mo. I've always fancied one of these in a nostalgic sort of way, but haven't been able to justify it. Every time I do get close to buying one tho' I always get warned off.

A friend who owns a company which has about 15 vehicles in this market segment warned me off because of reliability problems/costs. A journalist friend of mine who's the tech editor for an RSA auto mag was also very disparaging of the safety and build quality (at a chassis level), and then there's the friend who owned a new one, which didn't like starting in the mornings (even though they can hardly be called cold here). Despite this I'm still not entirely put off (maybe I'll buy a goodun, hahahahaha). The Toyota Tazz, (same build recipe as Citi Golf but with MkI Corolla) generally gets the 'sensible' nod. But both have now ceased production tho' under a deluge of Tata Indicas, Hyundai Atos' and Chana WTF-evers, which is a shame.

[spoonoff]

A freind of mine hired one when working out in South Africa- he said it was an absolute hoot.

[r11co]

The Donster said:

Opinions are wonderful things - they usually bring out responses like this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but entitlement does not mitigate the right to point out that opinions can be wrong. I'm fed up with this extension to political correctness that implies everyone's opinion is equally valid.

In this case you expressed something that is contrary to the facts (quotation marks notwithstanding). The car in question is the real deal by any interpretation of the language. Perhaps you should rephrase your opinion.

The Donster said:

Whilst I know it is still a Mk1 Golf, I think it's a poor pastiche of the original car.

It is a development of the original car produced by the people who made the original car, built for a market where people think differently from you. Once again you are projecting your own parochial thinking on the facts.

But by all means state your opinions forcibly and defend them to the hilt. Doesn't stop them being bks though.

Edited by r11co on Friday 18th March 12:52

[MrDarkBlack]

The Donster said:

MrDarkBlack said:

In what way?

Firstly, thanks for responding in a polite manner.

Whilst I know it is still a Mk1 Golf, I think it's a poor pastiche of the original car. I'm not a fan of the exterior adornments the car recieved to bring it 'up-to-date' and, like the cabrio, think that production went on for a little too long. But, if there's a market for it then fair enough.

Horses for courses.

My pleasure.

I can only assume that you are referring to the bumpers, as exterior adornments? As besides that, there are few external changes to the original. Ok, the rear lights changed but then they didn't last long on the origianl Mk1. I used to refer to these, as another poster did above, as a SHlTl Golf. When I was in SA, I could hardly believe that people were shelling out money to buy these brand new, when they could have bought a very low mileage, 2 year old car, Golf 3/4. Not sure if it's still the case, but when I was there, the attitude was "new is better", even though it was based on model that had ceased production decades ago, in other countries.

On a pure marketing level, I take my hat off to VWSA. The amount of money that they must have made on these models alone must be astounding. Tooling costs more than taken care of way before they ceased production some 25 years later.

[Papa Hotel]

It's interesting in that it is rare on these roads and is a mk1 Golf long after they died...

Is it a particularly interesting Pistonheads car? I don't think it is. A.nice little turnaround for a nostalgic old man but doesn't fill the SOTW role for me.