RE: PH Investigates: Ginetta's Road Cars

[Podie]

loveice said:

Good luck on the design. I think the G40 road car will be the 4-pot TVR we've all been waiting for a long time.

Reminds me of the TVR S in some respects...

[RTH]

Podie said:

Sorry, but reading this just says you have no concept of how much it costs to develop and produce a car.

Well how many £95,000 Ginettas to you predict they will find retail customers for each year ?

[Podie]

RTH said:

Podie said:

Sorry, but reading this just says you have no concept of how much it costs to develop and produce a car.

Well how many £95,000 Ginettas to you predict they will find retail customers for each year ?

Why not ask the owner of the company?

[lnt]

We currently have a backlog of orders for the F400. At forecast production rates about 9 months wait. Most of the cars are programmed to go abroad, we intend to build only 35 cars per year of this model, so you are not going to see one every day.
Ginetta only want to sell 300 carper year including Race cars. As we are currently selling race cars all over the world this has opened the road/track market up for us.
We are happy at this level and can hopefully give our customers a really good experience.
LT

[DonkeyApple]

lnt said:

We currently have a backlog of orders for the F400. At forecast production rates about 9 months wait. Most of the cars are programmed to go abroad, we intend to build only 35 cars per year of this model, so you are not going to see one every day.
Ginetta only want to sell 300 carper year including Race cars. As we are currently selling race cars all over the world this has opened the road/track market up for us.
We are happy at this level and can hopefully give our customers a really good experience.
LT

Are you in a position to publicly detail what you have changed on the F400?

[carl carlson]

If I was in the market to replace the Elise with something other than a boxster/caymen then this would be worth looking at. Serious competition for the Elise's crown I reckon.

[R500POP]

Spiritual_Beggar said:

I said it in the other thread last week....


Those F400's are are old Farbouds!

Fixed that for you

[RTH]

lnt said:

We currently have a backlog of orders for the F400. At forecast production rates about 9 months wait. Most of the cars are programmed to go abroad, we intend to build only 35 cars per year of this model, so you are not going to see one every day.
Ginetta only want to sell 300 carper year including Race cars. As we are currently selling race cars all over the world this has opened the road/track market up for us.
We are happy at this level and can hopefully give our customers a really good experience.
LT

These are the monthly new car sales figures from the SMMT in UK for January 2011

http://www.am-online.com/NewCarSalesFigures/

Are we to take it that you have yet to start selling road cars in Britain ?

Even Lotus only managed 19 sales in the month

[Fittster]

RTH said:

lnt said:

We currently have a backlog of orders for the F400. At forecast production rates about 9 months wait. Most of the cars are programmed to go abroad, we intend to build only 35 cars per year of this model, so you are not going to see one every day.
Ginetta only want to sell 300 carper year including Race cars. As we are currently selling race cars all over the world this has opened the road/track market up for us.
We are happy at this level and can hopefully give our customers a really good experience.
LT

These are the monthly new car sales figures from the SMMT in UK for January 2011

http://www.am-online.com/NewCarSalesFigures/

Are we to take it that you have yet to start selling road cars in Britain ?

Even Lotus only managed 19 sales in the month

No figures for caterham, Morgan or Atom in that list are you sure your source includes the very smallest firms?

Maybe grouped in the 'Other British' figures?

Actually the more I look at that link the more I doubt it, no figures for Ferrari, Lamborghini but Abarth, which are tuned Fiats are listed.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 13:32

[trackerjack]

My little daughter was lucky enough to be invited to drive and be driven in many of those Ginetta's at Silverstone that day, she loved it especially as they allowed her to drive as she wished (not held back).
She loved em.
I wish I got invited!

[Marlin45]

They look good but I just hope their build quality has improved somewhat since my '92 G33

[RTH]

Fittster said:

No figures for caterham, Morgan or Atom in that list are you sure your source includes the very smallest firms?

Maybe grouped in the 'Other British' figures?

Actually the more I look at that link the more I doubt it, no figures for Ferrari, Lamborghini but Abarth, which are tuned Fiats are listed.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 13:32

By all means put up something more comprehensive. Sales figures by month and by make over the last 5 years to date would be very interesting.
Not opinions but real people spending real money.
not "I would buy one if I won the lottery "

[dinkel]

julian64 said:

The 95K needs to come down to 50K and then Ginetta will be the new TVR IMHO.

The new TVR, God help me . . .

With a 30K and a 60K car Ginetta would be fine.

What's a Noble these days?

[Fittster]

RTH said:

Fittster said:

No figures for caterham, Morgan or Atom in that list are you sure your source includes the very smallest firms?

Maybe grouped in the 'Other British' figures?

Actually the more I look at that link the more I doubt it, no figures for Ferrari, Lamborghini but Abarth, which are tuned Fiats are listed.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 13:32

By all means put up something more comprehensive. Sales figures by month and by make over the last 5 years to date would be very interesting.
Not opinions but real people spending real money.
not "I would buy one if I won the lottery "

You seem to want to prove the manufacturers statements are incorrect however you don't have any evidence to backup your claims. Unless you can substantiate your point of view that the stated sales figures are incorrect you should keep your own council.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 14:00

[ewenm]

RTH said:

These are the monthly new car sales figures from the SMMT in UK for January 2011

http://www.am-online.com/NewCarSalesFigures/

Are we to take it that you have yet to start selling road cars in Britain ?

Even Lotus only managed 19 sales in the month

If you read the article it's clear that neither the G40 or F400 are on the road yet, still being finished. It's hardly surprising that they don't appear in sales figures.

Best of luck to Ginetta, hope they get to their sales targets.

[RTH]

Fittster said:

You seem to want to prove the manufacturers statements are incorrect however you don't have any evidence to backup your claims. Unless you can substantiate your point of view that the stated sales figures are incorrect you should keep your own council.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 14:00

Complete nonesense I have not said anything of the kind.

[Tyre Tread]

Fittster said:

you should keep your own council.

Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 22 March 14:00

The amount of Council tax I pay, I almost do!

[ES335]

I think the idea of a road legal track car is very marketable. A lot of people don't have space for a track car, even if they could afford one. I would certainly consider it. I agree too that the critical point will be to keep the mechanical integrity of the track version. If that's lost, it will simply be a very bad road car and a bad track car too. Sevens and their like aside, there are very few current road cars that have any real mechanical (as opposed to electromechanical) integrity left.

[Herman Toothrot]

I think it (G40) sound the perfect car for me, I had a good crawl over it at Goodwood FOS last year. For me it needs to be the same price for the base, basic model on the road as the cheapest Elise. The Elise is now quite a polished product and base is £26K. When I was at Goodwood I talked to the designer, sorry forgot name he said they were aiming squarely at the Elise, so if its £10K more than the Elise its missed its target in my opinion as a new Elise for £10K less is more likely to get my money.

[Miura Anjin]

dandarez said:

The road G40 is to have a 2.0 Duratec not the 'old' Zetec. Right price and this car is going to sell!!

Glad to hear that the ancient Zetec is out, but swapping to 2.0 Duratec is an odd choice. Sure, it's dependable and if Ginetta are only looking to sell in the UK then that old lump should just scrape through IVA. Lawrence can forget about Europe and Japan though - no way will that dinosaur meet EU5 or JC08 emission levels without a lot of very expensive ECU fettling. Why not go with something designed in curent millenium?