MOT rules (2012 onwards), tyres, run-flats and TPMS
Discussion
Globs said:
jagracer said:
Globs said:
Some rules are good I'm sure, but the vast majority are not. In 2012 you can have a fully roadworthy car with perfect tyre pressures failing an MOT, which is pretty sad.
Where did you read that?what a joke! not having a working tyre pressure monitor doesn't make a car unsafe. are they saying that every car without that system should not have an MOT?
don't think tyre pressure monitors were around when my '82 BMW 3er was made
wish the EU would just f
k off
also - i think people should have the free choice whether to use run-flats or not. they give an awful ride quality. just for clarification...if you swap from run-flats to normal tyres...you'd still pass the MOT?
don't think tyre pressure monitors were around when my '82 BMW 3er was made
wish the EU would just f
k offalso - i think people should have the free choice whether to use run-flats or not. they give an awful ride quality. just for clarification...if you swap from run-flats to normal tyres...you'd still pass the MOT?
Edited by E21_Ross on Saturday 2nd April 18:00
jagracer said:
Unless it's been sent in a Special notice from VOSA (I haven't seen one for this yet) then nothing is certain for 2012. They are still working it all out to comply with what the EU wants but tbh VOSA don't seem to know what's happening at present. The only thing that is definite is that 13 pin trailer sockets will be tested on a meter. I'm on a refresher course over the next couple of days so will know more by Tuesday night.
Someone please explain what this has to do with the roadworthiness of the car? I've just got rid of an ancient Volvo 740. It had a towbar and socket. I have no idea whether it worked and nor did I care as I had no intention of ever towing with it. Even if it's some dumb attempt to make sure that trailer lights work, it's a bit pointless if the trailer/caravan isn't tested as well.stemll said:
Someone please explain what this has to do with the roadworthiness of the car? I've just got rid of an ancient Volvo 740. It had a towbar and socket. I have no idea whether it worked and nor did I care as I had no intention of ever towing with it. Even if it's some dumb attempt to make sure that trailer lights work, it's a bit pointless if the trailer/caravan isn't tested as well.
Read it again, 13 pin socket. I've never seen one, it's another bit of EU hogwash. Now then, trailers and caravan testing, that'd be a good idea.jagracer said:
stemll said:
Someone please explain what this has to do with the roadworthiness of the car? I've just got rid of an ancient Volvo 740. It had a towbar and socket. I have no idea whether it worked and nor did I care as I had no intention of ever towing with it. Even if it's some dumb attempt to make sure that trailer lights work, it's a bit pointless if the trailer/caravan isn't tested as well.
Read it again, 13 pin socket. I've never seen one, it's another bit of EU hogwash. Now then, trailers and caravan testing, that'd be a good idea.
stemll said:
Is that not what you connect a trailer to then? Shows how little interest I took in the one on the Volvo (or towing in general).
In the UK we use mainly 7 pin sockets, one for the trailer and sometimes an auxiliary 7 pin if you have a caravan. In Europe I assume they use 13 pin, I've never seen a 13 pin trailer socket but like you apart from connecting my trailers I don't take much interest in them.Globs said:
Meanwhile it will still be legal to fit Indo-China Ditch Finders and Ho-Ping Death Sliders...
Interesting point - given I'm one of those who enthusiastically champion "good but costly" tyres.Let's just hope the muppets who buy that Eastern rubbish don't go out much and only drive slowly when they do!
jagracer said:
stemll said:
Is that not what you connect a trailer to then? Shows how little interest I took in the one on the Volvo (or towing in general).
In the UK we use mainly 7 pin sockets, one for the trailer and sometimes an auxiliary 7 pin if you have a caravan. In Europe I assume they use 13 pin, I've never seen a 13 pin trailer socket but like you apart from connecting my trailers I don't take much interest in them.Ozzie Osmond said:
Globs said:
This has the EU written all over it (a new law good for in response to no problem
Presumably you trotted out that same tired old line when,Winscreen washers
Hazard warning lights
Rear fog lamps
Seat belts
Air bags
ABS
Catalysts
and just about anything else we now take for granted were brought within MOT test.
The dinosaurs are in Jurassic Park. Perhaps there's still space available for you to join them.
Just to add a little info on TPMS. My company make the transmitter valves and receiver units for a lot of the big car manufacturers. One of our new products is the EZ sensor. Basically it is a blank programmable sensor intended for tyre fitting stores. You go in with a faulty sensor and they'll take a blank replacement and program it with the make, model and year and it will mimic the original sensor (which we might have made anyway). I'm not sure of the retail cost but we sell them for $ single figures each so even with a retail mark up is not going to make it immense. It does mean it's an open, competitive market and not a dealer monopoly.
Also the Euro legislation is not complete yet. Direct and indirect TPMS systems are both being considered, we're hoping they decide on direct, obviously because we'll make more money that way but it's also more accurate. I've heard but have no confirmation that there's some odd problems with indirect systems matching tyres with different wear like when you have part worn tyres and one gets punctured. You would have 3 part worn and 1 new with a bigger rolling radius. This could be urban myth or marketing horsest.
Anyway there will be TPMS on all new cars in Europe from some date in the 201X's just like there already is in the US. (fingers crossed, my mortgage is at stake)
Also the Euro legislation is not complete yet. Direct and indirect TPMS systems are both being considered, we're hoping they decide on direct, obviously because we'll make more money that way but it's also more accurate. I've heard but have no confirmation that there's some odd problems with indirect systems matching tyres with different wear like when you have part worn tyres and one gets punctured. You would have 3 part worn and 1 new with a bigger rolling radius. This could be urban myth or marketing horses
t.Anyway there will be TPMS on all new cars in Europe from some date in the 201X's just like there already is in the US. (fingers crossed, my mortgage is at stake)
Can I resurrect this thread. I've picked up some good quality Winter tyres at a very good price indeed. They are runflats, and I want to fit them to a car without a TPMS. The tyre fitters are, correctly I think, telling me I need a TPMS before they can legally fit them.
My question is whether this little device would satisfy that requirement (and the upcoming MOT): http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html or whether I need an in-car monitoring system.
The car is the family hack which seldom goes over 35 mph down country lanes on the school run.
My question is whether this little device would satisfy that requirement (and the upcoming MOT): http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html or whether I need an in-car monitoring system.
The car is the family hack which seldom goes over 35 mph down country lanes on the school run.
Bonefish Blues said:
Can I resurrect this thread. I've picked up some good quality Winter tyres at a very good price indeed. They are runflats, and I want to fit them to a car without a TPMS. The tyre fitters are, correctly I think, telling me I need a TPMS before they can legally fit them.
My question is whether this little device would satisfy that requirement (and the upcoming MOT): http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html or whether I need an in-car monitoring system.
The car is the family hack which seldom goes over 35 mph down country lanes on the school run.
Tyre pressure monitoring systems only form part of the MOT on cars first used on or after 1st Jan 2012 so they wont even be tested until 2015.My question is whether this little device would satisfy that requirement (and the upcoming MOT): http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html or whether I need an in-car monitoring system.
The car is the family hack which seldom goes over 35 mph down country lanes on the school run.
Apart from that, most of the new items that came in in 2012 are not failures at present, they can only be advised, this is due to legislation not being in place yet. Some of these are TPMS, hid lights and washers, SRS faults and one or two other things that I can't remember off hand.
Don't forget that MOT testing is different to construction and use laws.
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