MOT rules (2012 onwards), tyres, run-flats and TPMS

MOT rules (2012 onwards), tyres, run-flats and TPMS

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Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Bonefish Blues said:
So is the necessity for a TPMS a misunderstanding on the part of the tyre fitters?
No.

1. If you have runflats you really ought to have TPMS - otherwise you won't know if you have a puncture and risk eventual disintegration of a punctured tyre. The strengthened sidewall can only take a limited amount of punishment.

2. TPMS, where fitted, will become an MOT failure on newer cars if it's not working. (Irrespective of what type of tyre is fitted).

Bonefish Blues

26,748 posts

223 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So is the necessity for a TPMS a misunderstanding on the part of the tyre fitters?
No.

1. If you have runflats you really ought to have TPMS - otherwise you won't know if you have a puncture and risk eventual disintegration of a punctured tyre. The strengthened sidewall can only take a limited amount of punishment.

2. TPMS, where fitted, will become an MOT failure on newer cars if it's not working. (Irrespective of what type of tyre is fitted).
OK, thanks.

Do you know the answer to my earlier question as to whether it's required by law to be a remote monitoring TPMS or if this would be OK (as I've said earlier it's the local hack so a daily check will be fine, I think) http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Man from UNCLE said:
thinfourth2 said:
I am more and more convinced that i really don't want a car built in this century
I agree.
But doesn't this law cover the British Leyland cars originally fitted with run-flats too?

jagracer

8,248 posts

236 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Bonefish Blues said:
My question is whether this little device would satisfy that requirement (and the upcoming MOT): http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html or whether I need an in-car monitoring system.
You can buy systems that'll give you a readout on a display box you keep in the car for about £95


kambites

67,575 posts

221 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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anonymous said:
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It's required to get EU type approval, which isn't quite the same thing.

ging84

8,897 posts

146 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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I'm pretty sure there is no specific legal requirement to have tpms when running runflat tyres it is just a strong recommendation by the tyre manufacturers .
Many tyre shops will be certified as an 'official' runflat approved tyre fitter by one or more tyre manufacturer, these certificate will require that they only fit them to vehicle with tpms.
They will also most likely be required to only fit them to rims with an EH2 or EH2+ inside bead, if your car never had runflats as an option then it may not have the right rim construction, which would mean there is a risk of the tyre coming off the rim while corning with a deflated tyre, especially when there is no warning to tell you to slow down when the tyre has deflated
those tyre pressure monitors linked to are not really suitable for alerting you to a flat runflat, because they won't let you know while your driving, also they are for detecting low pressure not zero pressure, i would not be surprised if they deactivate when they detect no pressure or the battery would go flat if you removed them for a couple of weeks

jagracer

8,248 posts

236 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Why would you want run-flats anyway. I've never had a puncture that slowly deflated while I was driving, I've had a few blowouts that result in instantaneous deflation normally accompanied by large holes or a completely destroyed tyre, would a run-flat still work? If I ever approached my car and found a deflated tyre before moving off I'd change it.

Crafty_

13,288 posts

200 months

Sunday 2nd December 2012
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Bonefish Blues said:
OK, thanks.

Do you know the answer to my earlier question as to whether it's required by law to be a remote monitoring TPMS or if this would be OK (as I've said earlier it's the local hack so a daily check will be fine, I think) http://www.tyre-pressure-alert.co.uk/index.html
Just don't worry about it - only MOT the car with summer wheels & tyres on (that have TPMS).

a13bhw

11 posts

107 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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hi,i own a 2006 lexus gs 300 which tpms valves are fitted as standard,and yes u guessed it ive been warned that any info lights on dash such as low tyre warning light,will be a fail tried taking out all the tpms valves it still shows on dash ,checkd out tpms valves 3 out of four don't work,more good news to replace and fit 200 quid ,then you think replacing tyres just as well as they charge for refitting old tyres on top of new tpms sensers/balancing etc.bloody ridicolous,you know when you got a flat tyre or one that's lower than the rest. point of all this law says 2012 cars mines 2006,but the dash warning lights wont go out,ive tried, so is there a way round this,anyone know. thanks guys brian.

Little Pete

1,533 posts

94 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Take it to a test station that knows the regulations. TPMS systems are only tested on vehicles first used on or after Jan 1st 2012, and even then can only fail if the warning lamp indicates a system fault, not if it indicates low pressure in a tyre.

RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Tuesday 16th July 2019
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Worth shopping around for TPMS valves too.
Last ones I've bought have been nearer £120 for the set. (Main BMW dealer wanted £380!).

a13bhw

11 posts

107 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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hi little pete,no such luck indicating low tyre pressure in bold writing,and warning triangle comes up on dash,wish I could pull wire somewhere .

a13bhw

11 posts

107 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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rickalfas.thanks for that,theyr dear enough but the catch is the tpms resetting tool over 100 quid,call out a guy bit more,so its a stup out the money time,unless another way round,to me its not a safety feature ,youd have to be dumb not knowing you got low pressure tyres,thanks brian.

Coilspring

577 posts

63 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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youd have to be dumb not knowing you got low pressure tyres,thanks brian.
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If only that was the case

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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If you buy an old executive car full of tech cheap, you should expect some of the tech to need fixing.

This issue is not exactly big money is it ?

Wait until the ABS light comes on.


RicksAlfas

13,401 posts

244 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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a13bhw said:
rickalfas.thanks for that,theyr dear enough but the catch is the tpms resetting tool over 100 quid,call out a guy bit more,so its a stup out the money time,unless another way round,to me its not a safety feature ,youd have to be dumb not knowing you got low pressure tyres,thanks brian.
I’ve not had to reset any - BMW, Merc, Suzuki. Just drive around for a bit and the new sensors sort themselves out. Yours might be different, but i havent needed any special tools.

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Exige77 said:
If you buy an old executive car full of tech cheap, you should expect some of the tech to need fixing.

This issue is not exactly big money is it ?

Wait until the ABS light comes on.
It's normally just Hall effect sensors or connections.

What I wonder is how long airbags really are supposed to last? Some must be knocking on 30 years old now.

qprdiv2

4 posts

137 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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So can we assume that either TPMS is so clever, it knows if the tyre is run flat or not? If the pressure is the same, and it should be, the the tyre /valve monitor will monitor the air pressure as normal. If the monitor system relies on rolling diameter, that will also be the same. (as mine are).
My 5 series hasn't had run flats for years and the MOT has never recorded a fail. Some enterprising tyre salesman trying to earn a few quid extra.