MOT rules (2012 onwards), tyres, run-flats and TPMS

MOT rules (2012 onwards), tyres, run-flats and TPMS

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anonymous-user

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53 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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ludicrous speed

959 posts

193 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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That is completely ridiculous if true.

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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fareaster

234 posts

178 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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I googled it, this is what came up:-

"The latest commission directive, 2010/48/EU, states that from January 2012, any vehicle originally fitted with TPMS will have to have it fully operable in order to pass the annual MOT test"

I believe there are basically 2 types of TPMS, one that actually monitors tyre pressure and therefore requires a sensor in each wheel and another that monitors the rolling diameter of the tyre through the ABS system. The latter is probably the type fitted to your E92 (it´s certainly the type on my E90). The latter type would be fully functional provided the system was reset after whatever new tyres were fitted. The former would depend on the continuing integrity of the pressure sensor.
Somebody, whose trying to sell run-flats, have got their wires crossed - I´m being generous there!

sharpfocus

13,812 posts

190 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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FFS.

Globs

13,841 posts

230 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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This has the EU written all over it (a new law good for in response to no problem), so I did a search - yup, it's our lovely EU:

Related:

http://www.yell.com/motoring/blog/by-2012-we-could...

Bridgestone said:
As the world’s largest tyre and rubber manufacturer, we believe the market penetration of RFT technology could pick up significantly from as early as 2012 when a new EU law will force vehicle manufacturers to include Tyre Pressure Monitoring Sensors (TPMS) on all new vehicles.
http://www.tyretradenews.co.uk/

article said:
New research reveals Europeans are wasting 2 billion litres of fuel a year which equates to £2.4 billion a year. The findings come from safety checks carried out on 38,000 cars in 9 EU countries in 2010.

The Bridgestone results show that 71% of motorists are driving on under-inflated tyres. Bridgestone calculates for the environment this means 4.8 million tonnes of additional and unnecessary CO2 emissions annually – the equivalent of 1.8 g/km for every car on the road.

The 38,000 tyre safety checks were conducted by Bridgestone at shopping centres and public car parks as part of the company’s regular tyre safety campaign activities.
About the MOT

article said:
The latest EU directives have decreed that from 2012, Tyre Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) will form part of the MOT test. Leicestershire based Performance Wheels has geared up for this already and is already carrying a huge selection of replacement sensors for all passenger cars on the shelf, along with the essential trigger tools to allow garages and specialists to fit them.

The latest commission directive, 2010/48/EU, states that from January 2012, any vehicle originally fitted with TPMS will have to have it fully operable in order to pass the annual MOT test. This will then mean that even one faulty sensor will be enough to score a ‘fail’. Sensor replacement has always meant that, historically, most owners have then had to go cap in hand to their local main dealer to source spare parts – with the associated cost and labour charges – but Performance Wheels’ complete online solution, Tyresensors.com, offers solutions to both the trade and end user to allow them to purchase the same OEM sensors at a fraction of the dealer cost.

David87

6,648 posts

211 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Oh, just fk off.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

203 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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I am more and more convinced that i really don't want a car built in this century

interloper

2,747 posts

254 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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I think I see were the confusion lies. From what I have read it appears that its the tyre pressure monitoring system thats an MOT-able item, in much the same way as ABS is (if fitted it has to work). If you have run flats, by law you have to have TPMS. So changing to non run flats is fine so long as you keep the spangly pressure sensing tyre valves.


Man from UNCLE

3,762 posts

217 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
I am more and more convinced that i really don't want a car built in this century
I agree.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Globs said:
This has the EU written all over it (a new law good for in response to no problem
Presumably you trotted out that same tired old line when,

Winscreen washers
Hazard warning lights
Rear fog lamps
Seat belts
Air bags
ABS
Catalysts
and just about anything else we now take for granted were brought within MOT test.

The dinosaurs are in Jurassic Park. Perhaps there's still space available for you to join them.

The Moose

22,820 posts

208 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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In some ways, I think having TPMS working is a great idea and making it part of the MOT test would be good because that is potentially life saving.

I say potentially, because most people just ignore it which makes it neither use not fking ornament.

The only way TPMS will ever make that certain group of non-PHers fill their tyres is if the car goes into limphome mode until more air is added - and that would be st!

Mandatory rft for whatever reason is rubbish!

Cheers

The Moose

clarkey328is

2,220 posts

173 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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I think ABS is a totally different case. Bigger, newer (and therefore heavier) cars tend to have this system fitted. In fact, I think it's pretty much a universal standard now, is it not?
As such I think a car designed with ABS should not be driven without it on the public road. Track is fine, but it's there to look after you in unexpected situations, no matter how good a driver you are.
TPMS is just for people who have no idea whatsoever. The only people who need it wouldn't know how to pump their tyres up anyway.

fareaster

234 posts

178 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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anonymous said:
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There is an old PH thread too
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Before I retired I worked for a major manufacturer of TPMS systems. Going back about 5/6 years ago there was legislation going through in the USA that would require all new cars sold there to have TPMS. Didn´t happen that way, when it got passed it only required a certain % to be so fitted. Not sure of the situation now but it would be reasonable to assume that it´s not long before it´s a legal requitement for all new cars in Europe.

clarkey328is

2,220 posts

173 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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anonymous said:
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I guess it's more like the mandatory Daytime Running Lights Eu law, what with them trying to idiot proof cars all the time. Why not just make the driving test more comprehensive? I bet Finnish people know how to check their tyres and when to turn their lights on.

EDLT

15,421 posts

205 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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anonymous said:
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It came in around 2001ish. Caterham, TVR and some others got around by putting their cars through an SVA test (the same test a kit car would have to take, now called an IVA test) instead of getting them approved in the same way a big manufacturer would.

I'm sure it will upset the real drivers club, but I think mandatory ABS and TPMS are a good idea in principle.

jagracer

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Unless it's been sent in a Special notice from VOSA (I haven't seen one for this yet) then nothing is certain for 2012. They are still working it all out to comply with what the EU wants but tbh VOSA don't seem to know what's happening at present. The only thing that is definite is that 13 pin trailer sockets will be tested on a meter. I'm on a refresher course over the next couple of days so will know more by Tuesday night.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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anonymous said:
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I think that's exactly the point. It USED TO BE a rudimentary check of mechanical condition but has evolved into something very different - with emissions testing perhaps the prime example.

Since we now have "emissions" and "number plates" within the MOT it's very hard to argue against the inclusion of anything remotely safety-related, such as TPMS.

jagracer

8,248 posts

235 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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anonymous said:
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Just noticed your other post. There will be a lot of changes this and in forthcoming years but the idea is to keep the MOT test Time neutral and so cost neutral, barring inflation rises so some things will be removed from the test as other items are added. One thing that will change is that the certificate will be printed on plain paper and possibly not printed at all from 2015, not a major thing but I'm sure it will upset a lot of people.

Globs

13,841 posts

230 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Globs said:
This has the EU written all over it (a new law good for in response to no problem
Presumably you trotted out that same tired old line when,
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Our disagreement over the unelected EU controlling our lives is well documented Ozzie, no one in the UK asked for this rule change, it was imposed without consultation by no one enyone in europe voted for, and as usual it means more rules and costs for us.

Some rules are good I'm sure, but the vast majority are not. In 2012 you can have a fully roadworthy car with perfect tyre pressures failing an MOT, which is pretty sad.

Meanwhile it will still be legal to fit Indo-China Ditch Finders and Ho-Ping Death Sliders...