RE: Junior Jaguar And XF 'RS' Projects Confirmed
Discussion
I just hope Jaguar get the strategy right this time, if they chase volume too much again, then it is possible that they will repeat the debacle of the X-Type days.
They should align themselves to a Porsche type strategy where there is a high margin made on each unit. Jaguar should never try to emulate the German volume manufacturers BMW, Audi et al, they will never have the resources for that, rather, they should be a high margin exclusive product that’s seen as more bespoke than the German norm.
They should align themselves to a Porsche type strategy where there is a high margin made on each unit. Jaguar should never try to emulate the German volume manufacturers BMW, Audi et al, they will never have the resources for that, rather, they should be a high margin exclusive product that’s seen as more bespoke than the German norm.
collateral said:
If they want to compete with BM they should offer manual transmissions. Even more so if they make a roadster
Disagree. The last two "manu-matics" I drove (KX-R, 911) i.e. Flappy paddlers made it very clear to me there is absolutely no need to have a manual car anymore.And I think that's probably true for 99.9% of the population.
And the other .1% are all too busy on PH arguing about it to actually spend time driving their manuals about :-)
From really being of the "Jags are for old men camp" about 5 weeks ago I've had a complete turnaround about the marque. All from driving an KXR. Astounding.
Good luck to them with this expansion.
The Indians think Jaguar is Indian, and the Germans thinks Rolls Royce, the Mini, Bentley and so on and so forth are all German.
It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
A Scotsman said:
The Indians think Jaguar is Indian, and the Germans thinks Rolls Royce, the Mini, Bentley and so on and so forth are all German.
It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
No way. Designed and manufactured in Britain = British in my book. Money is just money.It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
A Scotsman said:
The Indians think Jaguar is Indian, and the Germans thinks Rolls Royce, the Mini, Bentley and so on and so forth are all German.
It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
I think you are being unfair, after all, all major companies are financed by foreign flows of money these days but that doesn't make any companies on the FTSE any less British (where appropriate).It's only us head in the sand & naive Brits that cling on to the nonsense that these companies are still British. Nationality depends on who owns these companies and where the benefit goes not where they currently reside!
Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
MrCarCoach said:
I think you are being unfair, after all, all major companies are financed by foreign flows of money these days but that doesn't make any companies on the FTSE any less British (where appropriate).
Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai. Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
A Scotsman said:
MrCarCoach said:
I think you are being unfair, after all, all major companies are financed by foreign flows of money these days but that doesn't make any companies on the FTSE any less British (where appropriate).
Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai. Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
ing tears by the British vs. TATA bull
that comes up every time Jaguar is mentioned? If you have a problem with the ownership, take your imaginary money and buy something else.That is all.
A Scotsman said:
MrCarCoach said:
I think you are being unfair, after all, all major companies are financed by foreign flows of money these days but that doesn't make any companies on the FTSE any less British (where appropriate).
Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai. Any company whose base is in the UK, whose intellectual property is UK based, whose workforce is predominantly UK based = British.
Yes JLR's success does help TATA's coffers but it certainly helps UK Plc too. Be proud!
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
A Scotsman said:
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai.
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
Who owns the shares in TATA though?Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
Prefer a Jaguar with opulence and splendour once upon a time afforded by the well heeled then handed down to grubby car dealers like me. The idea of Jaguars as they are today, more affordable to middle England, I find rather churlish. Might still be 'great cars' but common as muck today with styling and looks to suit.
MSTRBKR said:
No way. Designed and manufactured in Britain = British in my book. Money is just money.
Spot on mate!It's not dillusion when I walk into the factory at Gaydon or drive past the plant on the Oxford ring road, especially when pretty much everyone who creates the cars is british. Of course the Germans think they rule the world and what self respecting patriotic German would not try and stake their claim.
Jag is British you try and move it all to India and see what comes out of Mumbai!!!
A Scotsman said:
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai.
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
Those in the city lend these people money to buy businesses and make a profit from them. Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
Who owns whom? and who cares.Does that mean we're going to eventually get an X-type coupe and convertible based on the saloon, as well as getting a 2 seat roadster?
I agree with earlier comments regarding volume sales. Nobody juggles economies of scale better than the Germans (and Japanese) in this sector of the industry. Jaguar could find themselves in the red if there were a price war of sorts. Best to rise above it and mark-up Jaguars comfortably while still being able to entice buyers away from BMW, AUDI and MB.
I'm going to sit here and wait for the RS version of the X type coupe. Sort of like a Mercedes C class Black with more trumpets and a wopping great union jack on the roof!
I agree with earlier comments regarding volume sales. Nobody juggles economies of scale better than the Germans (and Japanese) in this sector of the industry. Jaguar could find themselves in the red if there were a price war of sorts. Best to rise above it and mark-up Jaguars comfortably while still being able to entice buyers away from BMW, AUDI and MB.
I'm going to sit here and wait for the RS version of the X type coupe. Sort of like a Mercedes C class Black with more trumpets and a wopping great union jack on the roof!
A Scotsman said:
I'm not being unfair just factual. Jaguar is wholly owned by TATA. TATA is Indian and headquartered in Mumbai.
Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
Oh do change the record you idiot.Yes. A lot of ostensibly UK companies are financed by foreign money. That doesn't make me proud. That makes me wonder what the hell those numpties in the City actually do and why we're so idiotic as to give these things up so easily.
IP? It's owned by TATA. Doesn't matter where it's created.
PhilJames said:
MSTRBKR said:
No way. Designed and manufactured in Britain = British in my book. Money is just money.
Spot on mate!It's not dillusion when I walk into the factory at Gaydon or drive past the plant on the Oxford ring road, especially when pretty much everyone who creates the cars is british. Of course the Germans think they rule the world and what self respecting patriotic German would not try and stake their claim.
Jag is British you try and move it all to India and see what comes out of Mumbai!!!
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