Done for HID headlights.
Discussion
Yep ECE Regulation 98 and 48 are totally irrelevant here:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098...
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r48r...
and luckily the department for transport think that these are irrelevant too:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadla...
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098...
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r48r...
and luckily the department for transport think that these are irrelevant too:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadla...
Adz The Rat said:
Our Lupo GTI has Xenon headlamps (as all Lupo GTI's do I think) but doesnt have self levelling or headlamp washers.
The Lupo GTi's for sale in the classifieds all seem to have the flush round pop-out headlight washers just below the headlight - are you sure yours doesn't?
GC8 said:
Im mean that their statement, that the lamps are 'illegal without adjusters' is incorrect. Its internet myth, usually supported by the massively flawed DoT guidelines; often quoted here by those 'in the know'...
Cars do not have to have headlamp adjusters and not having them does not make the fitment illegal. Of course, this does not make the lamps legal, but the mistake made makes the FPN spurious, in my opinion.
Ahh right. Well, Your not the first person to say that to me today (offline of course).Cars do not have to have headlamp adjusters and not having them does not make the fitment illegal. Of course, this does not make the lamps legal, but the mistake made makes the FPN spurious, in my opinion.
Thanks for your reply and going against the grain so to speak. I'll keep it in mind for future reference.
Mr. Potato Head said:
My Lupo GTI has washers and levellers.
Washer reservoir needs to be over half full for the washers to work, and the self levelling doesn't have the up down fanciness evident in other self levelling systems on start-up.
Are you sure? My LS does it at engine startup, lights on or off it makes no difference.Washer reservoir needs to be over half full for the washers to work, and the self levelling doesn't have the up down fanciness evident in other self levelling systems on start-up.
Try turning the engine on with the headlamps already on.
waterwonder said:
Hmm why did Renault supply xenons on the 172 FF, Laguna and espace initiale, with Self leveling and washers then? Also iirc the option on the megane dynamique and privilege included self leveling and washers.
Get the dealer to put it in writing whatever you do.
Yep it smells fishy, I'm yet to see an EU spec Renault with factory HIDs that doesn't have washers. OP why don't you give us your VIN? Is there a way to verify it online, something like Ford ETIS?Get the dealer to put it in writing whatever you do.
JoPo1 said:
Its still a Renault Megane.
They are factory fitted ffs. Mine died and instead of paying the £400 Renault wanted. I bought other E-Marked and ECE something or other ones for £60 that are the same tempature, wattage etc.
They said they took a chance that mone wouldnt be factory even though there is no difference to mine now than from before other than the ballast saying Philips and not Renault.
What? Both youe Xenons died? Unusual even for a Renault. They are factory fitted ffs. Mine died and instead of paying the £400 Renault wanted. I bought other E-Marked and ECE something or other ones for £60 that are the same tempature, wattage etc.
They said they took a chance that mone wouldnt be factory even though there is no difference to mine now than from before other than the ballast saying Philips and not Renault.
Chinny Rec.
JoPo1 said:
Been to Renault and advised them of the situation.
They came back to me 5 mins later and said it's specced correctly and is covered by some ECWVTA regulation that over rides UK law on a 'foreign' car. I phoned the PF today and told them the situation. Just had a call back to disregard the ticket and they'll advise the officers involved.
So... They were factory fit.
They didn't come with washers and levellers atall on some models but still had Xenon.
It's legal due to a regulation that overrides UK law for foreign cars if the actual part is factory fitted and to the country it came from's standard.
The guy at the fiscal was helpful and said any more problems call him directly.
Win, win.
My Arse that is what they said! They came back to me 5 mins later and said it's specced correctly and is covered by some ECWVTA regulation that over rides UK law on a 'foreign' car. I phoned the PF today and told them the situation. Just had a call back to disregard the ticket and they'll advise the officers involved.
So... They were factory fit.
They didn't come with washers and levellers atall on some models but still had Xenon.
It's legal due to a regulation that overrides UK law for foreign cars if the actual part is factory fitted and to the country it came from's standard.
The guy at the fiscal was helpful and said any more problems call him directly.
Win, win.
Just like when you get a speeding ticket, and you call them up and say, but I was only doing 15mph, they say, ok, rip it up and forget about it!
Oh, and a RHD car "from France"........??
Face saving s
te! poo at Paul's said:
My Arse that is what they said!
Just like when you get a speeding ticket, and you call them up and say, but I was only doing 15mph, they say, ok, rip it up and forget about it!
Oh, and a RHD car "from France"........??
Face saving ste!
You missed that bit about how you could import during the early 00's from Europe for less money by ordering a RHD car from a mainland dealer, right? Just like when you get a speeding ticket, and you call them up and say, but I was only doing 15mph, they say, ok, rip it up and forget about it!
Oh, and a RHD car "from France"........??
Face saving s
te! And the bit about how the legislation actually does support that.
So, when can we expect your face saving s
te?Colonial said:
poo at Paul's said:
My Arse that is what they said!
Just like when you get a speeding ticket, and you call them up and say, but I was only doing 15mph, they say, ok, rip it up and forget about it!
Oh, and a RHD car "from France"........??
Face saving ste!
You missed that bit about how you could import during the early 00's from Europe for less money by ordering a RHD car from a mainland dealer, right? Just like when you get a speeding ticket, and you call them up and say, but I was only doing 15mph, they say, ok, rip it up and forget about it!
Oh, and a RHD car "from France"........??
Face saving s
te! And the bit about how the legislation actually does support that.
So, when can we expect your face saving s
te?t! In UK, if you call the cops and tell them that you dispute their ticket, they dont tell you to just forget about it!
Of course we'll only know for sure if the OP posts the piccies up of his bulbs as was requested earlier.....
poo at Paul's said:
Of course we'll only know for sure if the OP posts the piccies up of his bulbs as was requested earlier.....
We can see your not a military man, as the Chief Storeman would say to us, "Bulbs are what you put in your garden, what you want is a lamp".
P.S. Yes I know what light bulb are
Vipers said:
poo at Paul's said:
Of course we'll only know for sure if the OP posts the piccies up of his bulbs as was requested earlier.....
We can see your not a military man, as the Chief Storeman would say to us, "Bulbs are what you put in your garden, what you want is a lamp".P.S. Yes I know what light bulb are
Weirdly I am ex military, but I just drove the thing, someone else fixed it!
poo at Paul's said:
They are probably the same colour as something from the garden!
Weirdly I am ex military, but I just drove the thing, someone else fixed it!
Ahhh so you was what they called "A vehicle aimer", my claim to fame was that I progressed from a motorbike to HGV3 thus by-passing taking a test in a car, which in later life caused a few shocked faces when one took a test drive, and mentioned one hadn't actually taken a test in a car to the salesman sitting next to you Weirdly I am ex military, but I just drove the thing, someone else fixed it!
Anyway lets see his bulbs/lamps.
Ari said:
So let me get this straight. There is a law that says all cars with xenons must have self levelling and headlight washers, yes?
But if the car was not made in the UK then that law can be disregarded?
So there's a law that applies to all cars but then is countermanded by a law that exempts 90% of them.
It's an EU "law" - http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/sectionec... . All Xenons are illegal under UK law. What stops people being done is any car sold in the EU has to have ECWVTA and this legalises the car, as it comes out of the factory, as a single entity.But if the car was not made in the UK then that law can be disregarded?
So there's a law that applies to all cars but then is countermanded by a law that exempts 90% of them.
Vipers said:
Ahhh so you was what they called "A vehicle aimer", my claim to fame was that I progressed from a motorbike to HGV3 thus by-passing taking a test in a car, which in later life caused a few shocked faces when one took a test drive, and mentioned one hadn't actually taken a test in a car to the salesman sitting next to you
Anyway lets see his bulbs/lamps.
Mine was great, it really flew!! Anyway lets see his bulbs/lamps.
Is it just me that is a bit cynical but that all seemed just a bit too easy to get the ticket cancelled with a couple of phone calls with no apparent exchange of paperwork / evidential backup of claims.
Sorry but that's my view, regardless that the requirement for washers and self levelling does not apply universally. Devil in detail as always.
Sorry but that's my view, regardless that the requirement for washers and self levelling does not apply universally. Devil in detail as always.
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