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Jonty355

3,660 posts

82 months

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Wednesday 20th April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
Think I may be vaguely....I sort of recall registering but haven't participated there online (or in the real world where there are people and natural light and everything! tongue out)
You should pop along to one of their meets. There can be some really great interesting stuff turn up!

Have you done a Vmax with your Spider? How did the trip to Bruge go btw? I was there the other day.

rob.e

2,472 posts

147 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
jdw1234 said:
Mario, I hope you don't mind...

These running costs seem quite realistic for 12 months for someone that actually uses it.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/members/showcar.asp?c...

I know £3k is for a capristo, but on average you can half that and put it in the contingency fund for the odd thing that will crop up every year (seat pots, byepass valve etc. etc.).

When people quote £2-3k per year, they are normally just refering to the minor annual service bill.

Don't forget depreciation (minimal and mainly due to mileage), insurance and parking charges!!
No problem at all, that's what it's there for smile I'm still waiting for my big 50k mile service bill, Paul C is being a bit slow at sending it to me, I've had the car back about a month laugh V funny considering most places won't even let you touch your keys before you've paid up ! It's likely come in at about £1700 inlcuding some new boots, engine mounts and other odds and sods, but excluding the upgraded headlights I asked him to fit (famous last words, his bills are always significantly lower than expected). So, total fuel/service/maintenance costs (but excluding upgrades as these are not strictly necessary) it is likely to come it at about 90p per mile, or 55p per mile excluding fuel for 8k miles/1 year's motoring. Considering the car has basically not depreciated (i.e. it'd still be similarly priced to what I paid for it if I wanted to buy a similar one from a dealer), I consider £4k for a year driving a Ferrrai which has included two trips in Europe, one to Wales and numerous weekends out at meets, country hoons/pub lunches a bit of a bargain....

Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 19th April 16:23
Nice to see the car being used as intended plus a good record of the "real" costs of running.

I test drove a 355 just after i got my esprit v8 - the lotus was faster and handled better IMO plus easier to drive quick given the torque of the twin turbo 8.. 355 did look absolutely stunning though (still does) and had "specialness" in bucket loads, plus the sound! cloud9

Interesting your running costs are very similar to the esprit - a little over £1 mile - difference is i ran mine for 50k miles (yes, do the maths!) - all the detail is in my blog.

cheers
Rob


rev-erend

17,903 posts

153 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
^ Sounds like someone wishes he bought a 355 smile

Mario149

3,238 posts

47 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Jonty355 said:
You should pop along to one of their meets. There can be some really great interesting stuff turn up!

Have you done a Vmax with your Spider? How did the trip to Bruge go btw? I was there the other day.
Nope, I haven't but I need to go one time smile

Bruges was great, we had lovely weather for it in the end. Much walking was done, and much tasy beer drunk smile Only downside was how much it cost to eat there. Even the set menu meals for EUR 15 ended up being EUR 60 after you'd had a beer or 2 with them!

NoelWatson

11,671 posts

111 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
Grovsie26 said:
Sounds a bit like a Giant VTEC V8, lol.
It sort of is a bit i guess. Although unlike my old Honda S2k, there is no step change at any point (which was quite annoying to be fair!), it just builds and builds. I'm not entirely sure how Ferrari managed to get the epic rev limit with low end usefulness in the 355 without having the clever cams that the S2k has. I guess it's somethign to do with the 5 valves per cylinder thing as opposed to 4 for the Honda. Sound about right?
I guess one having 120bhp/litre and one 110 bhp/litre (both alleged) might be something to do with it
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Mario149

3,238 posts

47 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
NoelWatson said:
I guess one having 120bhp/litre and one 110 bhp/litre (both alleged) might be something to do with it
Actually, i meant looking at it the other way: they've both achieved that yet the Honda engine has the facncy cams and step change, but the Ferrari doesn't, so how does it do it? Is it all due to the 5 valves per cylinder?

NoelWatson

11,671 posts

111 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
NoelWatson said:
I guess one having 120bhp/litre and one 110 bhp/litre (both alleged) might be something to do with it
Actually, i meant looking at it the other way: they've both achieved that yet the Honda engine has the facncy cams and step change, but the Ferrari doesn't, so how does it do it? Is it all due to the 5 valves per cylinder?
I think the S2000 only has the step because it has aggressive high rev cams (to get 120bhp/litre) and/or, they wanted that step for excitement. My NSX doesn't have a very noticeable power step.

The Milfman

1,088 posts

58 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
I guess that's the silver lining of having an engine rebuild...having come across several accounts the owners then seem to get a v pleasant surprise with the car pulling significantly harder then it did before
yes

The Milfman

1,088 posts

58 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Davey S2 said:
My old S2 Exige was far quicker than a 355 on a run along the Route Napoleon a few years ago (up to around 120 on the long straights anyway).
nono

The 355 wasn't mechanically 100% then?! My firend had an Exige and he could get away in the twisties but the difference on a straight upto 120 was night and day in favour of my 355.

NoelWatson

11,671 posts

111 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
And anyway, now that even the youngest 355 is 12 years old, one wouldn't really expect all the ponies to be there anyway.
Why not?

NoelWatson

11,671 posts

111 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
Nigel_O said:
Harry Flashman said:
Interesting - did the F355 ever actually makethe claimed 380bhp? This thread suggests not.
We had two on the rollers - 348bhp and 333bhp - the dyno operators said they had never had one that had made 375bhp. So - this would equate to about 270bhp per tonne (which would also explain why my Fiat Coupe feels rather a lot quicker with 348bhp/tonne). I'd still give up the Fiat in an instant to have the 355 back though.....
I can't remember whether it was on here or on CS, but there was a v long thread about Ferrari massaging power figures for their cars. Based on the data posted there, it seemed that most of the 360 and earlier cars (no figures for modern cars if memory serves) possibly came out of the factory about 15% down on what they were quoted as having. One explanation was that Ferrari over-rev the cars to get the extra power figures. Incidentally, it was also noted that Porsche seem to significantly underquote the power on their cars, especially for the GT3 variants

That said, there seem to be a lot of road tests over the years that seem to verify the performance figures stated for the cars (happy to be corrected), in which case, does it really matter what the actual bhp figure is/was? And anyway, now that even the youngest 355 is 12 years old, one wouldn't really expect all the ponies to be there anyway. I guess that's the silver lining of having an engine rebuild...having come across several accounts the owners then seem to get a v pleasant surprise with the car pulling significantly harder then it did before they even started dropping cylinders.
I recall that EV) mentioned that the press 360 was around 2 seconds quicker to the ton than customer cars, but they are not alone in supplying ringers, Honda were just as bad with the 2002 NSX.

Mario149

3,238 posts

47 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
NoelWatson said:
Why not?
General wear and tear on the engine. I could be wrong but I'm guessing that in order to achieve the power outputs on what is supposed to be a race-derived(ish) V8, tolerances and fit of the engine have to be very high. I guess I'm assuming that parts will start to wear/deteriorate after a time (which is obviously making the outrageous assumption that as an Fcar it's actually done a few miles tongue out) which will reduce the efficiency of the engine.

NoelWatson

11,671 posts

111 months

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Thursday 21st April 2011 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
NoelWatson said:
Why not?
General wear and tear on the engine. I could be wrong but I'm guessing that in order to achieve the power outputs on what is supposed to be a race-derived(ish) V8, tolerances and fit of the engine have to be very high. I guess I'm assuming that parts will start to wear/deteriorate after a time (which is obviously making the outrageous assumption that as an Fcar it's actually done a few miles tongue out) which will reduce the efficiency of the engine.
I would be surprised if an S2000 was significantly down on power after 100k miles - I think they could do it because they could get away with it - not sure if that is still the case.

MalcQV

185 posts

103 months

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Friday 22nd April 2011 quote quote all
DS240 said:
Looks lovely and always a temptation.. But.....

Remember the old saying; if you couldn't afford to run a brand new one, then you still couldn't now.

Cheaper it may be, but the servicing and repairs stills costs Ferrari money!
I would disagree, these cars can be serviced by a specialist or indeed yourself if you are reasonably competent (I am always being told they are just a car after all) and it's considerably cheaper smile

When they were new you would obviously go only to main dealers which are somewhat more expensive (or they were).

Ce nest pas

20 posts

25 months

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Monday 25th April 2011 quote quote all
Nigel_O said:
I was once severely embarrassed by a four-up fully-loaded Audi RS2 - it just romped way on a wave of turbo torque, while I spent a few seconds stirring the gearbox to find a ratio that would give me some power.
nono What I conclude from this sorry escapade, is that you need to learn to change gear. And change gear quickly to get the engine in the F355's powerband. I never have issues dismissing turbo-charged cars in my F355.

rev-erend

17,903 posts

153 months

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Monday 25th April 2011 quote quote all
MalcQV said:
I would disagree, these cars can be serviced by a specialist or indeed yourself if you are reasonably competent (I am always being told they are just a car after all) and it's considerably cheaper smile

When they were new you would obviously go only to main dealers which are somewhat more expensive (or they were).
All are valid points but if you want to own the car for a period of time and indeed sell it and not loose bucket loads of cash then sometime you need to spend cash where and when its needed.

Most people buying a 30K plus car will not accept a service history by a bloke who just claims to be an engineer..

hiewyj

5 posts

32 months

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Thursday 28th April 2011 quote quote all
a clip of my car and the sound of a stage 3 capristo (decatted)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gXQK1bqcQU

MalcQV

185 posts

103 months

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Friday 29th April 2011 quote quote all
rev-erend said:
All are valid points but if you want to own the car for a period of time and indeed sell it and not loose bucket loads of cash then sometime you need to spend cash where and when its needed.

Most people buying a 30K plus car will not accept a service history by a bloke who just claims to be an engineer..
Maybe. As for losing money well that depends on what you compare it with. The early 355's are approaching 17 now and are not really going to depreciate.
I would never consider at all spending that money on a new car smile
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