RE: Hot Mugen Honda CR-Z Spec Revealed
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poo at Paul's said:
One of our guys has a stock one, it's pitifully cheap inside, and he is getting an average 35mpg out of it. Best he has had is only 48mpg on an A/B road run. On motorways, it is v poor fuel wise.
That sums it up for me'Hybrid' is like god, the answer to everything..
The funny thing is we have the answer but just isn't as marketable as electricity..
As per the prodigy song, we need 'Diesel Power'
The apple generation will always jump at anything that sounds 'new', to me hybrid power is the new snake oil..
Big on the sell, but actually delivers not much in real terms.
Edited by black pipebandit on Friday 22 April 16:25
black pipebandit said:
...to me hybrid power is the new snake oil..
Big on the sell, but actually delivers not much in real terms.
Largely agree.Big on the sell, but actually delivers not much in real terms.
I would caveat that with the fact that hybrid tech is nowhere near as mature as petrol or diesel, so WILL get better (particularly when batteries, motors and regeneration get more energy- and size-efficient).
I would also comment that plug-in hybrids will make a lot of sense once the country has a network of fast-charge points AND* most of our electricity generated by nuclear and renewables. Until that point they're not much greener than a good fossil-fuel engine...
(At that point though the fuel-cell engine, if the tech evolves sufficiently, becomes even more attractive...)
* A big 'and'!!!
havoc said:
Largely agree.
I would caveat that with the fact that hybrid tech is nowhere near as mature as petrol or diesel, so WILL get better (particularly when batteries, motors and regeneration get more energy- and size-efficient).
I would also comment that plug-in hybrids will make a lot of sense once the country has a network of fast-charge points AND* most of our electricity generated by nuclear and renewables. Until that point they're not much greener than a good fossil-fuel engine...
(At that point though the fuel-cell engine, if the tech evolves sufficiently, becomes even more attractive...)
* A big 'and'!!!
To me cars are becoming a marketing package that need to appeal over just the driving experience, the whole green thing, which car manufacturers are being pressurised to comply with ever stupid CO2 targets.. I would caveat that with the fact that hybrid tech is nowhere near as mature as petrol or diesel, so WILL get better (particularly when batteries, motors and regeneration get more energy- and size-efficient).
I would also comment that plug-in hybrids will make a lot of sense once the country has a network of fast-charge points AND* most of our electricity generated by nuclear and renewables. Until that point they're not much greener than a good fossil-fuel engine...
(At that point though the fuel-cell engine, if the tech evolves sufficiently, becomes even more attractive...)
* A big 'and'!!!
I would love to see electrical cars on the road, but always think this hybrids are technological empty bottles, short changing the people buying them in this whole MPG scam, they who don't realise the true cost of the whole hybrid investment..
JonnyVTEC said:
Diesel Eu6 compliance will be a struggle with the smaller cars on cost grounds and yet more complexity to the drivetrain.
It's getting ridiculous. BMW and Honda used to make THE most reliable petrol engines going, and yet both now are encountering problems due to having to engineer them to meet ever-stricter emissions regs....and they're getting worse?!?
Welcome to disposable cars guys...
JonnyVTEC said:
poo at Paul's said:
One of our guys has a stock one, it's pitifully cheap inside, and he is getting an average 35mpg out of it. Best he has had is only 48mpg on an A/B road run. On motorways, it is v poor fuel wise.
What did he have before and what was that returning on I assume the similar route/commute?black pipebandit said:
That sums it up for me
'Hybrid' is like god, the answer to everything..
The funny thing is we have the answer but just isn't as marketable as electricity..
As per the prodigy song, we need 'Diesel Power'
The apple generation will always jump at anything that sounds 'new', to me hybrid power is the new snake oil..
Big on the sell, but actually delivers not much in real terms.
Meh, some people don't like to pump out more pollution whilst having a tiny power band and sounding like a bag of spanners.'Hybrid' is like god, the answer to everything..
The funny thing is we have the answer but just isn't as marketable as electricity..
As per the prodigy song, we need 'Diesel Power'
The apple generation will always jump at anything that sounds 'new', to me hybrid power is the new snake oil..
Big on the sell, but actually delivers not much in real terms.
Edited by black pipebandit on Friday 22 April 16:25
Each to their own.
TommyBuoy said:
The thing that strikes me with 'Hybrid - Tuning' is that it's just internal combustion tuning.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a beefed up motor with the aid of the electric motors (although they seem pretty tame), but when tuning a hybrid I would have liked to see more powerful motors and better recharge rates and other things I don;t know about being fettled with to give a rounded performace gain.
Seems to be missing a trick.
The Toyota Landspeed Prius had slight mods to the hybrid system (higher inverter voltage), but the main changes were higher gearing, a crapload of additional cooling systems, new wheels and a modified suspension.Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a beefed up motor with the aid of the electric motors (although they seem pretty tame), but when tuning a hybrid I would have liked to see more powerful motors and better recharge rates and other things I don;t know about being fettled with to give a rounded performace gain.
Seems to be missing a trick.
I like fun FWD cars, after all, I drive a Focus. This Mugen CR-Z sounds intriguing. I'd rather have this than a Civic Type-R, and I'd definitely have one over the ugly, heavy Civic Si they peddle here in America.
198bhp sounds plenty for a car like this, though out of curiosity, how much does it weigh?
I think in these days where every successive generation of car gets bigger and heavier, weight plays the biggest role in determining how a car will perform. 200bhp is fine, unless it has to move two tonnes!
198bhp sounds plenty for a car like this, though out of curiosity, how much does it weigh?
I think in these days where every successive generation of car gets bigger and heavier, weight plays the biggest role in determining how a car will perform. 200bhp is fine, unless it has to move two tonnes!
poo at Paul's said:
JonnyVTEC said:
poo at Paul's said:
One of our guys has a stock one, it's pitifully cheap inside, and he is getting an average 35mpg out of it. Best he has had is only 48mpg on an A/B road run. On motorways, it is v poor fuel wise.
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