RE: SOTW: Honda Accord Type R
Discussion
ALawson said:
Matt_N said:
The engine and gearbox combination is slightly out of sync with it dropping out of Vtec on most upshifts due to the ratios but it's still easy enough to make pretty quick progress when the mood takes you.
The car doesn't drop out of VTEC if you time the changes correctly, it needs some practice though! You need to change gear literally when the limiter is about cut in at 8800 rpm, or is it 8600 rpm.johnpeat said:
. . . the gear ratios are just wrong, changing up will often drop you outside the VTEC band which is just daft - I've no idea what they were planning there but once you get used to the car, it really does feel like the wrong gearbox was installed - ...
The engine has to be spot on to deliver. What could seem as a detail for any other car can turn out to be a huge issue on a Honda. Make sure you have a diamond garage geezer near to have all set up a 101% for you. And: 3rd party bits may look good but can seriously spoil the fun.Superb car: makes a similar Beemer blush. Especially for this money!
ALawson said:
The car doesn't drop out of VTEC if you time the changes correctly, it needs some practice though! You need to change gear literally when the limiter is about cut in at 8800 rpm, or is it 8600 rpm.
You do literally have to take it to the limiter but the limiter is at 7850.There is a lower final drive available which will probably make it on to my car at some point.
The engine light came up on mine a little while after I bought it, cleaned the inlet plate thingy and egr valve, reset the ecu and it was fine after that. Half an hour job and very easy to do.
I would do a compression check on this car if I was buying, just for peace of mind.
ALawson said:
The car doesn't drop out of VTEC if you time the changes correctly, it needs some practice though! You need to change gear literally when the limiter is about cut in at 8800 rpm, or is it 8600 rpm.
The limiter in the ATR is something like 8000, def not 8600 or 8800, with Vtec activation at 5800, it can be done if you get it spot on but it's very easy to drop out of Vtec. I still enjoy giving mine a thrash most journeys though.
Mat ed30 said:
Just been sorting out all the little stuff like new bulbs and getting the cd changer working,then its air con re gas and big service and just a good tidy up.
That was an amazing easter bargain, must be worth at least £2k even without the Ac working, these cars still have a strong following good ones go for upwards of £5k still. They are great to drive with a split personality, you have to really push hard to get through to its true abilities at which point all the fuss people make about them really makes sense with trully impressive chuckable handling for a saloon, a saloon that thinks its a 1000 kg hot hatch!Mat ed30 said:
Well i am the one that bought the car and what a car it is 
its a true honest car that is still very tight in the way it drives and it was as said in the advert.
what a great car and it will be looking perfect very soon as i have worked for Honda for over 10 years so know these cars well
.I have to say a big thanks to beemer for being a spot on guy and just a genuine bloke.
Cleaning day tomorrow for me
Git. Enjoy it. its a true honest car that is still very tight in the way it drives and it was as said in the advert.what a great car and it will be looking perfect very soon as i have worked for Honda for over 10 years so know these cars well
.I have to say a big thanks to beemer for being a spot on guy and just a genuine bloke.Cleaning day tomorrow for me
Matt_N said:
The limiter in the ATR is something like 8000, def not 8600 or 8800, with Vtec activation at 5800, it can be done if you get it spot on but it's very easy to drop out of Vtec.
I still enjoy giving mine a thrash most journeys though.
7850, change up at 7849 and you'll be out of VTECI still enjoy giving mine a thrash most journeys though.
irf said:
7850, change up at 7849 and you'll be out of VTEC
It's no big miss. The Vtec does pretty much f
k all anyway, as far as I can tell it just makes the engine sound a bit raspier, there's a slight jerk when the cams go into high lift mode, but nothing else to write home about. It also makes the spontaneous MPG meter drop a bit.Gwagon111 said:
It's no big miss. The Vtec does pretty much fk all anyway, as far as I can tell it just makes the engine sound a bit raspier, there's a slight jerk when the cams go into high lift mode, but nothing else to write home about. It also makes the spontaneous MPG meter drop a bit.
with all due respect you have a 2 litre 163bhp model (going by your own thread) whereas the type R has 209bhp and is probably lighter so there'll be a fair difference. k all anyway, as far as I can tell it just makes the engine sound a bit raspier, there's a slight jerk when the cams go into high lift mode, but nothing else to write home about. It also makes the spontaneous MPG meter drop a bit.It's a funny engine and I have owned a few civic type r in the past (joys of working for a Honda dealer) I like the fact you learn the engine revs and just get the car in vtec mode in all the gears and it's just one of those engines that has something special about it. Its like turbo lag ie nothing nothing nothing and then the vtec kicks in lol
Back in 1996/97 209 bhp from a 2.2l was pretty good. These cars can and still do show up a lot of more modern stuff, the 0-60 isn't anything to write home about nowadays but the chassis is sweet.
If was a pile of st I wouldn't have kept mine for 8.5 years, the problems is what to replace it with!
If was a pile of s
t I wouldn't have kept mine for 8.5 years, the problems is what to replace it with!
That is a bargain beautiful car and a steal of a price. The A7 engine on it's own is worth a fair bit then you got the recaros and other goodies. In the typical price catagory i would prefer a DC2 over one of these but i still love the accords even if a lot of of people don't like them.
Great cars these. Have one as a track slag that has done 198,00 miles (still on the original unopened unit). The last 8,000 miles have been on track doing 100 lap days practically non stop. The engines are literally bullet proof provided you keep doing the oil changes.
Re final drive: an amazing mod (knocked 5 seconds off the lap time!). No waiting for VTEC. Car now keeps up with E46 M3's in the dry!
Also ATR having LSD FWD makes it a real giant killer in the wet.
Agreed its not the best looking car. But thats the charm. Passing exotica on track in Grandad's Accord never ceases to make you laugh
Re final drive: an amazing mod (knocked 5 seconds off the lap time!). No waiting for VTEC. Car now keeps up with E46 M3's in the dry!
Also ATR having LSD FWD makes it a real giant killer in the wet.
Agreed its not the best looking car. But thats the charm. Passing exotica on track in Grandad's Accord never ceases to make you laugh
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