Mexican Drugs Gangsters Do Not Mess About...

[Marty Funkhouser]

Jesus H christ, it sounds like a war zone down Mexico way these days...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039937/Me...

[SirBlade]

Give every man, woman and child pistol training, a glock, and a case of ammo.

Job done.

[EDLT]

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

[V100]

"According the reports there were twelve women dead"

[FarleyRusk]

Its like every shock film where the baddy is so evil and relentless that it could only be the devil. That is truly horrible.

[randlemarcus]

SirBlade said:

Give every man, woman and child pistol training, a glock, and a case of ammo.

Job done.

Thus entirely missing the point of "plomo o plata" (lead or silver). Given an entirely personal, realised threat, I'll take the silver.

[xe mini]

Well I hope they catch the perpetrators, fly tipping has clearly got out of control, its a disgrace.

[98elise]

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Would legal and taxed drugs be cheaper than illegal drugs? How many people do you know who smoke under the counter fags?

Sould heroin, crystal meth etc be legal?

[Fittster]

98elise said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Would legal and taxed drugs be cheaper than illegal drugs? How many people do you know who smoke under the counter fags?

Sould heroin, crystal meth etc be legal?

Why should legal drugs be taxed? The default answer shouldn't be it exists tax it.

The cost to manufacture drugs is tiny. I can't see what a field of poppies is in any more difficult to produce than a field of wheat. How much is a bag of flower?

Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.

[bob1179]

From speaking to people who live in that part of the world, the biggest problem is corruption. There is no way to effectively battle these cartels, when somebody 'straight' plans a raid the cartels know about it already. If a leader is captured the cartels just shot policeman or government figures (and their families) to make an example of them.

I suppose the only way to stop this problem is to declare martial law in the country, impose curfews and send the army in to ruthlessly take out everybody involved or being suspected of being involved in manufacturing, trafficking, selling, assisting or generally being part of the cartels. It would no doubt be like a civil war and many people would be killed but I suppose in situations where lawlessness rules you have to be brutal.

[Major T]

Fittster said:

98elise said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Would legal and taxed drugs be cheaper than illegal drugs? How many people do you know who smoke under the counter fags?

Sould heroin, crystal meth etc be legal?

Why should legal drugs be taxed? The default answer shouldn't be it exists tax it.

The cost to manufacture drugs is tiny. I can't see what a field of poppies is in any more difficult to produce than a field of wheat. How much is a bag of flower?

Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.

from what I've read before, most "experts" agree that legalised (and therefore controlled) drugs is the answer. Public perception and voters' reaction is the problem.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_and_aga...

Edited by Major T on Thursday 22 September 09:17

[petemurphy]

sounds like they represent a clear and present danger......

[98elise]

Fittster said:

98elise said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Would legal and taxed drugs be cheaper than illegal drugs? How many people do you know who smoke under the counter fags?

Sould heroin, crystal meth etc be legal?

Why should legal drugs be taxed? The default answer shouldn't be it exists tax it.

The cost to manufacture drugs is tiny. I can't see what a field of poppies is in any more difficult to produce than a field of wheat. How much is a bag of flower?

Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.

Why would drugs be free of tax when just about ecerything else is? Its not just direct taxes either, every part of the supply chain is taxed as well. i just can't see it being done at a profit legitimately.

I'm happy for the state to contol dangerous stuff yes, otherwise food, dink etc can contain anything. I'd rather not have antifreeze in my wine etc.

[sinizter]

Fittster said:

Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.

Why should the state bear the cost to fix what the above mentioned free adult has done to their own body ?

Make drugs legal, untaxed and no cover for overdoses on the NHS, and we will be sorted - otherwise, it will just be another epic fail.

[Viper_Larry]

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Don't take them and they'll be no market for them. People taking drugs are fuelling these issues, like it or not.

[eldar]

sinizter said:

Why should the state bear the cost to fix what the above mentioned free adult has done to their own body ?

Make drugs legal, untaxed and no cover for overdoses on the NHS, and we will be sorted - otherwise, it will just be another epic fail.

Cheap beer and fags, excellent Solve the pensions crisis...

Reminds me of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_L...

[Mr Dave]

petemurphy said:

sounds like they represent a clear and present danger......

If this was facebook, I would "like" that comment.

[EDLT]

Viper_Larry said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Don't take them and they'll be no market for them. People taking drugs are fuelling these issues, like it or not.

If we all just used public transport there would be no car crime. If we didn't own nice things there would be no burglary etc.

[rsv gone!]

They are absolutely terrifying in their ruthlessness;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centrala...

[TEKNOPUG]

98elise said:

Why would drugs be free of tax when just about ecerything else is? Its not just direct taxes either, every part of the supply chain is taxed as well. i just can't see it being done at a profit legitimately.

I'm happy for the state to contol dangerous stuff yes, otherwise food, dink etc can contain anything. I'd rather not have antifreeze in my wine etc.

Cost of producing enough smack for every man, woman and child in this country to blow their brains with (if they so desire) vs the cost of the current "war" on drugs - including all criminal activity, from dealers to users stealing/mugging to feed their habit, catching them, jailing them, court costs, all associated Police costs, all associated insurance costs etc etc

Which one do you think would be MASSIVELY, ASTRONOMICALLY cheaper than the other?

There are a lot of people making a lot of money from the illegal drugs trade and I'm not talking about the "Criminals"....