The GT3 and RS avoidance thread!
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Just incase this 991 GT3 makes an appearance at a later date...
http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/individualLot.html?lotI...
http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/individualLot.html?lotI...
ClarkPB said:
Just incase this 991 GT3 makes an appearance at a later date...
http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/individualLot.html?lotI...
This car is quoted as cat b. doesn't that mean it can only be sold for parts? So why include it here?http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/individualLot.html?lotI...
Category A: scrap only – Cat A cars should not be allowed back on the road, but their parts can be sold for recycling.
Category B: break for parts – Cat B cars are not allowed back on the road, but there will be some parts that can be removed and sold as spares. Its shell (the main component of the car) must be crushed.
Category C: repairable total loss – Cat C cars are allowed back on the road, as the damage is repairable, although the cost of repair is higher than the value of the car. The car must be subject to a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC).
Category D: repairable significant damage – Cat D cars are also allowed back on the road, because the damage can be repaired. Unlike Cat C, however, the repairs won’t cost more than the value of the car, but it is significant enough for the car to be written off.
Category B: break for parts – Cat B cars are not allowed back on the road, but there will be some parts that can be removed and sold as spares. Its shell (the main component of the car) must be crushed.
Category C: repairable total loss – Cat C cars are allowed back on the road, as the damage is repairable, although the cost of repair is higher than the value of the car. The car must be subject to a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC).
Category D: repairable significant damage – Cat D cars are also allowed back on the road, because the damage can be repaired. Unlike Cat C, however, the repairs won’t cost more than the value of the car, but it is significant enough for the car to be written off.
nigelonich said:
I have had several Cat D cars and there is nothing to be scared of. Best thing is to buy them damaged and get the repair done under your own supervision an document it with some images.
Currently my 2008 defender is a Cat D which was due to the chassis being damaged wen it was only 6 months old. The value of the damaged car was high but the replacement of a chassis was labour intensive an therefore the value of the repair outweighed the economics combined with the sale value of the salvage.
In summary the defender had a new chassis and very little else and it has been perfect ever since but its a Cat D and considered bad. However, take a rusty old defender with a rotten chassis and replace it with a new one and its not a Cat D and considered good!
However good a Cat D car is it will still be classed as Cat D so have a lower value. You just need to ensure you get a Cat D car at the right value.Currently my 2008 defender is a Cat D which was due to the chassis being damaged wen it was only 6 months old. The value of the damaged car was high but the replacement of a chassis was labour intensive an therefore the value of the repair outweighed the economics combined with the sale value of the salvage.
In summary the defender had a new chassis and very little else and it has been perfect ever since but its a Cat D and considered bad. However, take a rusty old defender with a rotten chassis and replace it with a new one and its not a Cat D and considered good!
All cars should be inspected and bought on condition (whether Cat D or not).
It's also worth noting for anyone looking how many dealers advertise c16 spec cars only for them to be originally c98 Cyprus bound cars that were snatched up by dealers when demand was strong for these cars new. There's at least 3 I've looked at seriously to find out this. It wouldn't be an issue if it was reflected in the price but this is never the case. First warning sign is a none OPC selling the car brand new!
TOENHEEL said:
It's also worth noting for anyone looking how many dealers advertise c16 spec cars only for them to be originally c98 Cyprus bound cars that were snatched up by dealers when demand was strong for these cars new. There's at least 3 I've looked at seriously to find out this. It wouldn't be an issue if it was reflected in the price but this is never the case. First warning sign is a none OPC selling the car brand new!
That's a good point,there was a Speed Yellow mk2 996 GT3 for sale last year and I'm sure it was a Cyprus car. sleep envy said:
Why?
I would feel more comfortable with money wrapped up in a c16 UK opc delivered car. I'm not saying everyone will feel the same as me but these cars are all about history and having no ambiguity. I couldn't be chewed on having to explain where the car's from come re sale time. Slippydiff said:
Not sure why this is an issue ? My old 996 GT3 RS was a C98/Cyprus car, the spec is identical to C16. Which begs the question, why would there be any price differential between C16 and C98 cars ?
See TOENHEEL's reply above as it echos my own thoughts 
Obviously it doesn't mean it's a bad car in any way shape or form (why would it) but it's a personal thing and for every person that didn't want a non C16 car there'll be 10 people who don't give a hoot.
TOENHEEL said:
I would feel more comfortable with money wrapped up in a c16 UK opc delivered car. I'm not saying everyone will feel the same as me but these cars are all about history and having no ambiguity. I couldn't be chewed on having to explain where the car's from come re sale time.
That's your perogative but I'm not so hung up about it. When they get to a certain value people won't reject a car if it's not got a C16 or C00 code on the inside cover sevice booklet sticker, see 993 RS.sleep envy said:
That's your perogative but I'm not so hung up about it. When they get to a certain value people won't reject a car if it's not got a C16 or C00 code on the inside cover sevice booklet sticker, see 993 RS.
Yeah but for the time being they're nothing like as expensive or as rare as a 993RS 
TOENHEEL said:
I would feel more comfortable with money wrapped up in a c16 UK opc delivered car. I'm not saying everyone will feel the same as me but these cars are all about history and having no ambiguity. I couldn't be chewed on having to explain where the car's from come re sale time.
All Porsches are imports. Good thread. Particularly interesting to me as I nearly bought that RivBlue 997.1GT3 before buying my RivBlue 997.2GT3, and it had no mention of any crash damage as I recall.
For the record a CAT B can be put back on the road with the same reg and ID. I have first hand experience of doing this with an NC MX5 2 years ago. The car has the V5, has had two MOT's, two lots of road tax, and two years of insurance declared as a CAT B damage repair with the insurer. I guess it's a bit of an underground trade secret that this can be done, but thousands of CAT B cars are legally put back on the road every year as far as I'm aware.
The CAT damaged cars are not the ones you want to worry about as HPI checks are easy, it's the ones that aren't reported to the insurer as they were being driven uninsured, crashed on a trackday or otherwise. That's why this thread is a great idea!
For the record a CAT B can be put back on the road with the same reg and ID. I have first hand experience of doing this with an NC MX5 2 years ago. The car has the V5, has had two MOT's, two lots of road tax, and two years of insurance declared as a CAT B damage repair with the insurer. I guess it's a bit of an underground trade secret that this can be done, but thousands of CAT B cars are legally put back on the road every year as far as I'm aware.
The CAT damaged cars are not the ones you want to worry about as HPI checks are easy, it's the ones that aren't reported to the insurer as they were being driven uninsured, crashed on a trackday or otherwise. That's why this thread is a great idea!
PhilMorrison said:
The CAT damaged cars are not the ones you want to worry about as HPI checks are easy, it's the ones that aren't reported to the insurer as they were being driven uninsured, crashed on a trackday or otherwise. That's why this thread is a great idea!
Agreed but, as previously mentioned, an insurance claim doesn't get recorded as a cat [whatever] unless the car is written off. I know of various cars with £25k insurance claims - not recorded as not written off. There's a common misconception that an insurance claim taints the car with Cat D or whatever - simply not true.PhilMorrison said:
For the record a CAT B can be put back on the road with the same reg and ID. I have first hand experience of doing this with an NC MX5 2 years ago. The car has the V5, has had two MOT's, two lots of road tax, and two years of insurance declared as a CAT B damage repair with the insurer. I guess it's a bit of an underground trade secret that this can be done, but thousands of CAT B cars are legally put back on the road every year as far as I'm aware.
Correct, I looked at one last week and nearly bought it. I know someone that makes a tidy living from them.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff