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RDMcG

19,095 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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DMC2: The most important thing by far is that you are both OK. I have had some prior experience with moments with Cups in an RS rather unexpectedly, and completely understand that this is not the place for an opened discussion. However, you have rightly pointed out that its just a car...

redback911

2,702 posts

265 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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RDMcG said:
DMC2: The most important thing by far is that you are both OK.
Absolutely, pictures looked very scary so glad to hear both parties were ok. Really sorry that your daughter was caught up in the situation, a nightmare for any parent.

Hoping that the car did not suffer some kind of catastrophic mechanical failure, and the accident was due to something non-Porsche related. Either way, I respect your decision to not want to go into details.


Edited by redback911 on Wednesday 19th February 05:11

mrdemon

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Well as everyone is saying the only way to go off the road is to drive it off the road, if that did not happen it must be a Porsche failure., which for any new owner is going to put the sts up them.
ESP when you said no way you want another one !!! When it's the car of 2014.

So it is imo a bit unfair to only state a little bit what happened when that's clearly impossible to do as no car spins in a straight line at 50mph.

Fast insurance payout also, how does market value work when the markets 20k above list ?

I ofcourse do respect you not posting but you should have not posted any thing and then no one would have had any questions.

To me I can only think rear steer fail as any other issue can be driver corrected at such low speeds and all the tech it has.

Carl_Docklands

12,103 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Glad you are ok dmc2. Shakes you pretty hard something like that never mind having your little one in there too.

To the other posters, Losing the back end on a Gt3 like that on cups at 50 probably means standing water and/or road obstruction. Weather not been too clever as of late, temps would have been ok. A strong back end kick out through standing water and/or obstruction with Fairly slack default psm on the gt3 would mean that you would need to really be alert for a back end kick out at all times rather than enjoying a leisurely drive with your kid in your new toy. Trying to get the rear end back in on a 911 is hard enough if you are expecting it never mind if you are relaxing.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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mrdemon said:
Well as everyone is saying the only way to go off the road is to drive it off the road, if that did not happen it must be a Porsche failure., which for any new owner is going to put the sts up them.
ESP when you said no way you want another one !!! When it's the car of 2014.

So it is imo a bit unfair to only state a little bit what happened when that's clearly impossible to do as no car spins in a straight line at 50mph.
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This is in a straight line, lots of tech, and well under 50 mph. I'm sure there are lots of other examples.

It's the guys prerogative as to whether to state all the facts or not.

http://youtu.be/CHhJcDAt_zE

mrdemon

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Alpinestars said:
This is in a straight line, lots of tech, and well under 50 mph. I'm sure there are lots of other examples.

It's the guys prerogative as to whether to state all the facts or not.

http://youtu.be/CHhJcDAt_zE
Why post a drag strip with some one at wot ?

As I said, even hitting standing water a modern a car is not going to spin uncontrollable from the back end at those speeds.

It has to be a car fail the way he was talking and not wanting another.

Hence he should have not posted half a story, as now the thread will all go like this :-)

As it happens the day I picked my gt3 up it was a hellish day and the car had bold rears, it had a moment or two but much higher speeds.

But a 991 spinning at 50mph at a steady speed is hard to swallow with out a part failing.

I guess we will never know though.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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A drag strip is a straight line last time I looked.

The GTR is doing less than 50, and he has tech, and he loses control....

You're now making stuff up. Whilst no one but those involved know what happened, he did not state he was doing a "steady 50". He said he was doing a 50 in a 60. Boot down from 30, and hit the "wrong road surface" and he could be going sideways at 50. I'm not going to second guess what happened, but I don't see that you will get to the facts by doing it either.

pc.iow

1,879 posts

202 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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mrdemon said:
I guess we will never know though.
Never know for sure but it’s pretty obvious though.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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The man is not going to tell anyone what happened. He has chosen not to do so. End of story.

It is a pretty bizarre story without more detail, but I dont see much point in speculating about it.

The only important detail is that the chap and his child are OK.

V8KSN

4,711 posts

183 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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ORD said:
The man is not going to tell anyone what happened. He has chosen not to do so. End of story.

It is a pretty bizarre story without more detail, but I dont see much point in speculating about it.

The only important detail is that the chap and his child are OK.
Yep! Without any further information or explanation, its pure guesswork on how it happened.

CGJJ

857 posts

123 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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I think OP is right to be careful about posting details on PH with all the legal issues that could arise.


LaSource

2,622 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Alpinestars said:
Whilst no one but those involved know what happened, he did not state he was doing a "steady 50". He said he was doing a 50 in a 60. Boot down from 30, and hit the "wrong road surface" and he could be going sideways at 50. I'm not going to second guess what happened, but I don't see that you will get to the facts by doing it either.
Yep. I've had the scary moment in the damp/wet with Corsa R tyres. I was in a 996 GT3 admitedly already at a steady 50mph (past a 50 mph gatso) in third gear, accelerated away semi-hard only to find the rear end starting to go sideways with another car to my left and a central reservation to my right! Fortunately managed to get the car back under control, drove home at 25mph and promptly changed to another set of more appropriate tyres!

996GT2

2,649 posts

209 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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LaSource said:
Alpinestars said:
Whilst no one but those involved know what happened, he did not state he was doing a "steady 50". He said he was doing a 50 in a 60. Boot down from 30, and hit the "wrong road surface" and he could be going sideways at 50. I'm not going to second guess what happened, but I don't see that you will get to the facts by doing it either.
Yep. I've had the scary moment in the damp/wet with Corsa R tyres. I was in a 996 GT3 admitedly already at a steady 50mph (past a 50 mph gatso) in third gear, accelerated away semi-hard only to find the rear end starting to go sideways with another car to my left and a central reservation to my right! Fortunately managed to get the car back under control, drove home at 25mph and promptly changed to another set of more appropriate tyres!
Had a very similar experience a few weeks ago on an M25 slip road in my 997 GT2, back end completely lost traction at about 50mph under very light throttle, PSM gathered it up without too much fuss though, which really makes me wonder what happened here. Glad everyone's ok though, that's all that really matters.


P1ato

339 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Having come home to a ransacked house last night with my family, this is also one of those "st, it could have been so much worse moments".
You just have to put it behind you and move on, just like the OP has done.

LindsayMac

569 posts

201 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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I do feel for the chap with this car, imagine his excitement on his new purchase, then the horror of a serious incident with his young daughter. So glad everyone involved is OK. Have to say though some of the comments will not be helping his situation. We all feel awful when something like this goes wrong whether our fault or not, he has chosen not to talk openly on a forum and we should respect his decision.

Chin up DMC2

Tom911

692 posts

162 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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As previously said in this thread, its DMC2's business! to be honest, if i had just been in an accident of this size, i wouldn't want to talk about it either, who cares how it happened, that isn't the point, the point is that both him and his daughter are okay, stop bullying him with questions its unfair! End of.
Rant over!

Du1point8

21,604 posts

191 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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preparing for thread lock in a moment...

The guy who crashed doesnt want to talk about it... lots of people saying they dont believe what little info he gave across and are goading him into stating more info...

Leave the guy alone... its a harrowing enough ordeal without coming on here and then finding several people are demanding info, then questioning what happened as its all very strange, blah, blah, blah...

He didnt ask for advice, etc... he confirmed that it was his car and should be left at that.

HappyBoxster

214 posts

122 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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CGJJ said:
I think OP is right to be careful about posting details on PH with all the legal issues that could arise.
Nail. Head.

thegoose

8,075 posts

209 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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Anyone who says the incident must have been caused by the car clearly hasn't considered all the potential scenarios properly, or perhaps doesn't have the experience to do so.

I was in my 911 SC race car on Cups with special extra wet cuts in them (widening some existing channels, and extending others) and after the first lap at Cadwell Park I'd just gone over the start/finish line (yes, faster than 50mph but a lighter car on narrower, tyres with improved water dispersal)) when all of a sudden the back end went violently right, spinning me (sadly into a stranded Caterham on the left verge that had broken down just over the start line). I'm known for being very good at catching rear end slides and getting cars back from very big angles but nothing I did in this case made any difference and it all happened lightning fast too. I realised I must have aquaplaned but couldn't work out why it had spun, rather than floating over and continuing in the dead straight line direction I was heading.

When I got out it became immediately obvious - the deeper water was running across the track diagonally, so on each axle one wheel is floating before the other, which is still either rolling (front) or being powered forward (rear).


I've no idea what happened in DMC2's case although it's likely that it wasn't the car and therefore by a process of elimination must have been driver error - but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the same circumstances.

When you're driving moderately along a very very wet road, would you really know if it was a bit deeper in places in front of you, so much so that the car could aquaplane suddenly in a non-uniform fashion? I doubt any of us could, but the IAM and so on would say that one should drive slower, assuming the worst ahead - if it's the case that this spin wouldn't have happened had he been going 40mph (or whatever) then you'd have to agree with them.


IknowJoseph

542 posts

139 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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LaSource said:
Yep. I've had the scary moment in the damp/wet with Corsa R tyres. I was in a 996 GT3 admitedly already at a steady 50mph (past a 50 mph gatso) in third gear, accelerated away semi-hard only to find the rear end starting to go sideways with another car to my left and a central reservation to my right! Fortunately managed to get the car back under control, drove home at 25mph and promptly changed to another set of more appropriate tyres!
I guess the moral of that story is don't accelerate after you've gone past a speed camera wink
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