Ouch!!!

[V8KSN]

A few days after buying my 997.1 GT3 (still on its original Cup tyres) I was on a very wet M4 with really biblical rain and I was in the inside lane when the car suddenly just 'sat up' on some water and I found the front of the car was now pointing to 2 o'clock and the rear was rapidly rotating round to 9.

All of a sudden the car found grip and luckily I was steering into the skid and the car straigtened itself and I carried on down the motorway.......with a brown stained seat.

When I relay this story to others I tell them that the only reason I was OK is because of my god-like driving skills but in actual fact, it was just pure damm luck that saved me!

Nothing else, just pure dumb luck!

OP, I know you must be feeling low at the moment but hopefully, given time, you will feel better about this whole stty scenario.

[mrdemon]

after DMC2 cars history of owning many GT3's, I still find it very odd, esp now DMC2 bought V12 front engine RWD car.
live your life on a forum you have to take the rough with the smooth and expect questions to bazar statements.


DMC2 should NOT have stated "the car spun at 50mph in a straight line" while not driving like an idiot.

As the common thought is now, DMC2 floored it by 95% of posters.

If it's for legal reason you don't post any thing, or if you don't want questions asking you again don't post, simple forum guidelines really.

any way to DMC2 enjoy your V12 Vantage SD :-).

Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 19th February 12:18

[V8KSN]

mrdemon said:

As the common thought is now, the OP floored it by 95% of posters.

I dont think thats fair to say mrdemon

[LaSource]

IknowJoseph said:

LaSource said:

Yep. I've had the scary moment in the damp/wet with Corsa R tyres. I was in a 996 GT3 admitedly already at a steady 50mph (past a 50 mph gatso) in third gear, accelerated away semi-hard only to find the rear end starting to go sideways with another car to my left and a central reservation to my right! Fortunately managed to get the car back under control, drove home at 25mph and promptly changed to another set of more appropriate tyres!

I guess the moral of that story is don't accelerate after you've gone past a speed camera

Quite. Especially when the temperature is probably below 7 deg C with track orientated tyres.

For the record, I am not posting to goad the OP into further information or suggest that he was driving in any other fashion than I might do with a similar vehicle with a similar passenger. I just meant to show that in cars like these, with weather like this, everything is possible and therefore no specific explanation needed!

[IknowJoseph]

LaSource said:

I just meant to show that in cars like these, with weather like this, everything is possible and therefore no specific explanation needed!

Agreed. I don't know why some people on here want to badger the poor guy about it.

[thegoose]

V8KSN said:

mrdemon said:

As the common thought is now, the OP floored it by 95% of posters.

I dont think thats fair to say mrdemon

I agree but did you really expect MrD to be fair?


Also, people keep referring to the "OP" when I think they mean the car owner (DMC2) NOT the Original Poster.

[mrdemon]

V8KSN said:

I dont think thats fair to say mrdemon

It's a very fair report of what others have posted, and has nothing to do with the DMC2, I summed up what every one has posted in the last 3 pages or even joked about.

I am always very fair and non of my posts ever get personal, bar to about 2 people.

I think if DMC2 said he was not driving like an idiot, then it can only be a car failure, others did not agree and went the other way.

I could not be more fair in this thread.

DMC2 has clearly moved onto a more powerfull RWD car which is far more tail happy, which again leads me to the 911 having a car failure esp when the DMC2 tuned down the offer of another 991 GT3 which have 20k premiums in them and which he stated only a few weeks back was one of the top 3 cars of 2014.

Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 19th February 12:19

[VerySideways]

CGJJ said:

I think OP is right to be careful about posting details on PH with all the legal issues that could arise.

The End.

[GregorFuk]

I'm surprised nobody is linking the loss of control with the factory recall to replace the oil cooler bolts. If a cooler pipe comes adrift and oil is sprayed onto the rear wheels or the road ahead of the rear wheels then.......

[Alpinestars]

Very poor analysis Demon. Why would buying a powerful rwd car give any clues as to whether the driver or previous car was at fault? Odd.

We don't know the facts so why not stop speculating.

[DMC2]

CGJJ said:

I think OP is right to be careful about posting details on PH with all the legal issues that could arise.

Firstly, thank you for the kind words from many of you. I didn't want to post any information about my accident, in fact it was last year it happened. I purely wanted to confirm that it was me and I was alright when I saw the topic, as a few people on here would instantly know it was mine and would be concerned.

CGJJ is exactly right, I'm purposely being careful with my words as there could be legal implications Please remember this is 6 figure plus insurance claim with an already controversial car involved.

As for the speculation regarding driver error please consider this, the mother of my children was in the car in front of me with my son and another car driven by an individual who was behind me and who kindly waited and gave a statement to the police both witnessed the accident. The police stated it was not my fault. I WILL not for obvious reasons discuss it anymore on here, if anybody doesn't like that then tuff. It isn't their life. The end.

[Petrus1983]

Why as a collective can't people just be happy DMC2 and his daughter are safe and appreciate he doesn't want to go into details - which he's perfectly justified in doing.

There a massive range of scenarios which could lead to the car being at fault - with a majority of those being one's you wouldn't wish to talk about - ie, a wheel falling off (absolutely not related to this post, just an example).

[DT398]

Petrus1983 said:

Why as a collective can't people just be happy DMC2 and his daughter are safe and appreciate he doesn't want to go into details - which he's perfectly justified in doing.

There a massive range of scenarios which could lead to the car being at fault - with a majority of those being one's you wouldn't wish to talk about - ie, a wheel falling off (absolutely not related to this post, just an example).

Agreed and well said. Now, what's all this about wheels falling off GT3s?

[RDMcG]

DMC2 said:

Firstly, thank you for the kind words from many of you. I didn't want to post any information about my accident, in fact it was last year it happened. I purely wanted to confirm that it was me and I was alright when I saw the topic, as a few people on here would instantly know it was mine and would be concerned.

CGJJ is exactly right, I'm purposely being careful with my words as there could be legal implications Please remember this is 6 figure plus insurance claim with an already controversial car involved.

As for the speculation regarding driver error please consider this, the mother of my children was in the car in front of me with my son and another car driven by an individual who was behind me and who kindly waited and gave a statement to the police both witnessed the accident. The police stated it was not my fault. I WILL not for obvious reasons discuss it anymore on here, if anybody doesn't like that then tuff. It isn't their life. The end.

I deplore the speculation on this thread, and completely understand and support your decision to be careful about your words. The web seems to encourage a lot of assertions without any factual basis. I wish you the best with resolving the matter, and hope that we can avoid any further demands for information or criticism without any knowledge of the event.

[PaulD86]

Very glad you were both alright. Looks like it took quite and impact but stood up to it well.

[birdcage]

Good luck to you, you didn't start the topic, family okay and insurance paying out plus police happy.

Those keen to 'know' what happened hiding behind being concerned that the model might have issues should find something more rewarding to do with their time.

[monthefish]

Magic919 said:

Looks similar to this one.

That is lovely.

[Actus Reus]

Well I'm glad that everybody's ok. Must have been pretty fking terrifying for family in a car following (and also for anybody going the other way that got caught up in it).

All's well that ends well though. QED.

[Technomad]

thegoose said:

Anyone who says the incident must have been caused by the car clearly hasn't considered all the potential scenarios properly, or perhaps doesn't have the experience to do so.

I was in my 911 SC race car on Cups with special extra wet cuts in them (widening some existing channels, and extending others) and after the first lap at Cadwell Park I'd just gone over the start/finish line (yes, faster than 50mph but a lighter car on narrower, tyres with improved water dispersal)) when all of a sudden the back end went violently right, spinning me (sadly into a stranded Caterham on the left verge that had broken down just over the start line). I'm known for being very good at catching rear end slides and getting cars back from very big angles but nothing I did in this case made any difference and it all happened lightning fast too. I realised I must have aquaplaned but couldn't work out why it had spun, rather than floating over and continuing in the dead straight line direction I was heading.

When I got out it became immediately obvious - the deeper water was running across the track diagonally, so on each axle one wheel is floating before the other, which is still either rolling (front) or being powered forward (rear).


I've no idea what happened in DMC2's case although it's likely that it wasn't the car and therefore by a process of elimination must have been driver error - but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the same circumstances.

When you're driving moderately along a very very wet road, would you really know if it was a bit deeper in places in front of you, so much so that the car could aquaplane suddenly in a non-uniform fashion? I doubt any of us could, but the IAM and so on would say that one should drive slower, assuming the worst ahead - if it's the case that this spin wouldn't have happened had he been going 40mph (or whatever) then you'd have to agree with them.

I think that's spot on - I've seen exactly that at Cadwell, and the lower part of the circuit at Knockhill suffers the same way. Unsurprisingly perhaps, the same conditions cause no problems on a bike - single track vehicle so no real yaw moment able to arise. I've also had it happen on the road - after the M9 splits from the M80 Southbound at Stirling, the road curves gently right but with a strong camber drop running right to left (offside to nearside), just at a point where you get a lot of surface runoff due to poor drainage. A couple of years ago, I came in to that at a fairly moderate pace in my X5 (with winter tyres on) and was somewhat surprised to find the car trying to rotate about its axis, despite my pretty much straightlining the water on a neutral throttle. I'd just got that sorted out when I spotted a red 997 buried in the nearside armco…

[monthefish]

ORD said:

The man is not going to tell anyone what happened. He has chosen not to do so. End of story.

It is a pretty bizarre story without more detail, but I dont see much point in speculating about it.

The only important detail is that the chap and his child are OK.

Exactly this.

LindsayMac said:

I do feel for the chap with this car, imagine his excitement on his new purchase, then the horror of a serious incident with his young daughter. So glad everyone involved is OK. Have to say though some of the comments will not be helping his situation. We all feel awful when something like this goes wrong whether our fault or not, he has chosen not to talk openly on a forum and we should respect his decision.

Chin up DMC2

Funny you should post..I was just thinking about you (how's it going??) as my only experience of a GT3 on cup tyres in the wet was watching you in my rear mirror at a rain-lashed Knockhill. You seemed to have amazing grip given the conditions, and were absolutely flying, until that sudden spin.