996 Turbo X50 manual where are they all?
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tali1 said:
A cabriolet aswell
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
It's definitely not an X50 or an S as I have checked. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
It's a misleading advert with some none factory mods done later but certainly not to factory X50 standard/specification.
The Cabriolet version would be of less interest to most purists. Would not appeal to me for example even as an avid fan.
Nevertheless looks nice.
X50Black said:
tali1 said:
A cabriolet aswell
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
It's definitely not an X50 or an S as I have checked. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
It's a misleading advert with some none factory mods done later but certainly not to factory X50 standard/specification.
The Cabriolet version would be of less interest to most purists. Would not appeal to me for example even as an avid fan.
Nevertheless looks nice.
Yes , the open 911s are a bit of niche and not purist .Cabriolet has appeal (for a few only ) because only of extra rarity.
I do think all 996t values have been generally stable for the last couple of years (I didn't lose much in my time of ownership), and I think values will continue to stay stable, and maybe climb as the good ones become harder to find.
I can't see X50 (alone) holding value any worse or better than a standard turbo, however. Some people actively seek out a non-X50 over an X50, including myself. (if the right car had come up with X50, I would have gone with it, but my preference was not).
'S' versions may hold their value slightly better perhaps, but it was just a well optioned run-out special, and bear in mind the S was only available on the latest cars (2004/2005, so by virtue of the fact they are the least old, they should be worth more anyway.
I can't see X50 (alone) holding value any worse or better than a standard turbo, however. Some people actively seek out a non-X50 over an X50, including myself. (if the right car had come up with X50, I would have gone with it, but my preference was not).
'S' versions may hold their value slightly better perhaps, but it was just a well optioned run-out special, and bear in mind the S was only available on the latest cars (2004/2005, so by virtue of the fact they are the least old, they should be worth more anyway.
monthefish said:
I can't see X50 (alone) holding value any worse or better than a standard turbo, however. Some people actively seek out a non-X50 over an X50, including myself. (if the right car had come up with X50, I would have gone with it, but my preference was not).
The rarer model variants always tend to be better investments, especially when in this example the motoring press clearly preferred the X50 version too. You sure had an easy task 'actively seeking" a non X50 bearing in mind the ratio of non X50 to X50 on the market at any one given time. The various specialists also agree that the X50 will be the better bet.
Edited by X50Black on Thursday 15th May 16:29
i had a 996 turbo S manual mint with 20k miles which i sold last year. Was my 2nd 996 turbo.
Before that I had a vanilla 996 turbo.
Both were remapped.
I prefered the normal 996 turbo with the rempa. Much quicker to pick-up. Less lag.
The 'S' had ceramic breaks and carbon fiber everywhere. Only problem: the factory sport suspension was hard.
I struggled to sell it for £40k. Doubt very much they will rise in value. Stable at best.
Nowadays, everyone believes their cars should rise in value. Quite pathetic i think. Just buy the car you like and enjoy. If anything, 'exotic' car market is way overpriced.
Before that I had a vanilla 996 turbo.
Both were remapped.
I prefered the normal 996 turbo with the rempa. Much quicker to pick-up. Less lag.
The 'S' had ceramic breaks and carbon fiber everywhere. Only problem: the factory sport suspension was hard.
I struggled to sell it for £40k. Doubt very much they will rise in value. Stable at best.
Nowadays, everyone believes their cars should rise in value. Quite pathetic i think. Just buy the car you like and enjoy. If anything, 'exotic' car market is way overpriced.
erics said:
i had a 996 turbo S manual mint with 20k miles which i sold last year. Was my 2nd 996 turbo.
Before that I had a vanilla 996 turbo.
Both were remapped.
I prefered the normal 996 turbo with the rempa. Much quicker to pick-up. Less lag.
The 'S' had ceramic breaks and carbon fiber everywhere. Only problem: the factory sport suspension was hard.
I struggled to sell it for £40k. Doubt very much they will rise in value. Stable at best.
Nowadays, everyone believes their cars should rise in value. Quite pathetic i think. Just buy the car you like and enjoy. If anything, 'exotic' car market is way overpriced.
Agreed non x50 with remap pick of the bunch, but then I would say that, just like the poster previous who likes his x50. As to prices, I wouldn't put my money in any modern porsche if you're a worrier, for every car that sells there are others that stick for weeks and won't budge, buyer then panics and sells to a dealer, and loses a pile in the process unfortunately. Before that I had a vanilla 996 turbo.
Both were remapped.
I prefered the normal 996 turbo with the rempa. Much quicker to pick-up. Less lag.
The 'S' had ceramic breaks and carbon fiber everywhere. Only problem: the factory sport suspension was hard.
I struggled to sell it for £40k. Doubt very much they will rise in value. Stable at best.
Nowadays, everyone believes their cars should rise in value. Quite pathetic i think. Just buy the car you like and enjoy. If anything, 'exotic' car market is way overpriced.
These are great cars, I've had mine 7 years, x50 with areo kit. Deffo a keeper, price will rise. Already seen it over the last two years?
Chris Harris views, not mine.....
The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon."
Chris Harris views, not mine.....
The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon."
Firthy247 said:
These are great cars, I've had mine 7 years, x50 with areo kit. Deffo a keeper, price will rise. Already seen it over the last two years?
Chris Harris views, not mine.....
The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon."
Long time ago this quote. 991 GT3 RS, 675 LT etc moves game along a millennium Chris Harris views, not mine.....
The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon."
Chris Harris' views in Autocar not mine 
"The 997 Turbo is unquestionably the best sports car the world has ever seen. That much is non-negotiable. It does things normal cars can’t: it behaves, adapts, creates traction, generates adhesion and decelerates like no road car I have ever driven.
It isn’t the fastest car against the watch but, in terms of net available performance, the 997 Turbo marks a new beginning. It is so supple, so amenable, so perpetually on your side, that covering ground now feels somehow different to the way it did yesterday."
"The 997 Turbo is unquestionably the best sports car the world has ever seen. That much is non-negotiable. It does things normal cars can’t: it behaves, adapts, creates traction, generates adhesion and decelerates like no road car I have ever driven.
It isn’t the fastest car against the watch but, in terms of net available performance, the 997 Turbo marks a new beginning. It is so supple, so amenable, so perpetually on your side, that covering ground now feels somehow different to the way it did yesterday."
Adam B said:
Chris Harris' views in Autocar not mine
"The 997 Turbo is unquestionably the best sports car the world has ever seen. That much is non-negotiable. It does things normal cars can’t: it behaves, adapts, creates traction, generates adhesion and decelerates like no road car I have ever driven.
It isn’t the fastest car against the watch but, in terms of net available performance, the 997 Turbo marks a new beginning. It is so supple, so amenable, so perpetually on your side, that covering ground now feels somehow different to the way it did yesterday."
Nice Adam "The 997 Turbo is unquestionably the best sports car the world has ever seen. That much is non-negotiable. It does things normal cars can’t: it behaves, adapts, creates traction, generates adhesion and decelerates like no road car I have ever driven.
It isn’t the fastest car against the watch but, in terms of net available performance, the 997 Turbo marks a new beginning. It is so supple, so amenable, so perpetually on your side, that covering ground now feels somehow different to the way it did yesterday."
but I think this Harris quote was from when the 997 Turbo was reviewed by him as a new car for Autocar, whereas the previous Harris quote in this thread giving special praise to the 996 and x50 was when he was trying to judge best 911 Turbo "ever" for an article on Pistonheads IIRC, albeit an old article itself now. Yes the game is always moving on and maybe Harris' opinion would be different if asked again now. Often see it remarked that the newest 911 is always the "best", but not always the fondest remembered. Anyway, it's good to see these turbo threads, it was always my dream car since when it was just enough to say "Porsche Turbo", and I love every iteration they have made Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff