996 GT3 FS

[CarreraLightweightRacing]

Slippydiff said:

Alpinestars said:

Too bastardised. Would look far better as a standard car.

Investor speak for "might be difficult to flip and turn a profit on due to being slightly non standard"
Makes it no less desirable for those that want to actually drive their cars (for more than 500 miles a year...

[Digga]

As an 'investors car' it might be too non-standard, although apart from exceptional cases, I'm not really sure too many 911s are really investment. Certainly, there can and may be corrections, and someone always gets left holding the baby.

As for cars that owners have modified to their own tastes and needs, well really it's up to the buyer to decide whether those changes are positive enhancements or something that they personally feel detract from the car. If you're buying the car to use and enjoy, it's very much an emotive choice. Saying "X" or "Y" change to a car makes it undesirable is not really applicable in that case because, as ever, the value the product is down to the person paying for it.

[fredt]

Car is sold though according to the advert.

Who wants to drive a standard car (or a standard anything) anyway? Freaks!!

[Mitch911]

I think the spec is actually a bit better than that advert suggests, if its the car I think it is. Pretty much perfect if you actually want to use your GT3

[arcticGT]

Nobody wants useable cars nowadays it seems. I've been getting trade bids for my 6.1 GT3 and with 71K miles on it, most places are reluctant to bid or offer peanuts.

[SFO]

arcticGT said:

Nobody wants useable cars nowadays it seems. I've been getting trade bids for my 6.1 GT3 and with 71K miles on it, most places are reluctant to bid or offer peanuts.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=230&t=1647873

[Slippydiff]

arcticGT said:

Nobody wants useable cars nowadays it seems. I've been getting trade bids for my 6.1 GT3 and with 71K miles on it, most places are reluctant to bid or offer peanuts.

Patience grasshopper, give it another 4-8 weeks and the buyers will be out there. As the previously linked to thread shows, there's a buyer for pretty much any car IF the price is right/competitive.

[ChrisW.]

braddo said:

There are 77 RHD clubsports in Australia alone, according to this:

http://www.gt3resource.com/page5/files/c171f86c200...

That's very interesting information --- if you look around the repeated suggestion was that around 20% of the 1500 cars were Clubsprt -- it was certainly the case in the UK.

I wonder how much this skews the numbers ?

Any information from other markets ?

I have some somewhere ... let me have a hunt ...

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 2nd February 17:37

[Alpinestars]

Slippydiff said:

Alpinestars said:

Too bastardised. Would look far better as a standard car.

Investor speak for "might be difficult to flip and turn a profit on due to being slightly non standard"
Makes it no less desirable for those that want to actually drive their cars (for more than 500 miles a year...

Touché to your last point . But the first is only valid if I ever end up selling a fookin car! I'll probably end up going through the whole bust bubble, burst cycle, so never make a profit.

Anyone want an RS?

[stroller]

arcticGT said:

Nobody wants useable cars nowadays it seems. I've been getting trade bids for my 6.1 GT3 and with 71K miles on it, most places are reluctant to bid or offer peanuts.

I feel your pain mate, got a mint red 996.2 that was up for sale last year, but appears to be 'over the hill' on 59,000 miles !
Be interested to know if this red car did sell at that money...

[lemmingjames]

Slippydiff said:

Patience grasshopper, give it another 4-8 weeks and the buyers will be out there. As the previously linked to thread shows, there's a buyer for pretty much any car IF the price is right/competitive.

Is that the possible issue? Sellers see other cars selling and think theres is worth that amount as well so get upset if they dont receive trade bids near it?

[stroller]

Appears the red GT3 has 'some history' .......

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=118405

Edited by stroller on Thursday 2nd February 22:13

Edited by stroller on Thursday 2nd February 22:16

[Alpinestars]

stroller said:

Appears the red GT3 has 'some history' .......

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=118405

Edited by stroller on Thursday 2nd February 22:13

Edited by stroller on Thursday 2nd February 22:16

Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.

[Slippydiff]

lemmingjames said:

Is that the possible issue? Sellers see other cars selling and think theres is worth that amount as well so get upset if they dont receive trade bids near it?

My old black Mk 1 Manthey car stuck at 911V for nearly seven months, but it sold recently.
Dealers seem to sticking to their guns on pricing, but trade bids for 996 GT3's tend to be notoriously punitive (IMO). Better to sell privately and accept a slight reduction in price (or better still sell on SOR if you can find a trustworthy dealer such as 911V or JZM.

[ForzaGilles]

Slippydiff said:

My old black Mk 1 Manthey car stuck at 911V for nearly seven months, but it sold recently.
Dealers seem to sticking to their guns on pricing, but trade bids for 996 GT3's tend to be notoriously punitive (IMO). Better to sell privately and accept a slight reduction in price (or better still sell on SOR if you can find a trustworthy dealer such as 911V or JZM.

I can't believe that hung around for so long, i'd have had it in a heartbeat! Lovely car

[Slippydiff]

ForzaGilles said:

Slippydiff said:

My old black Mk 1 Manthey car stuck at 911V for nearly seven months, but it sold recently.
Dealers seem to sticking to their guns on pricing, but trade bids for 996 GT3's tend to be notoriously punitive (IMO). Better to sell privately and accept a slight reduction in price (or better still sell on SOR if you can find a trustworthy dealer such as 911V or JZM.

I can't believe that hung around for so long, i'd have had it in a heartbeat! Lovely car

Thanks It was a cracker for someone looking for a car to drive rather than polish. The GT3 was/is a niche product at the best of times. Many of the buyers are now collector/investor types and thus they're looking for non-modified, original panel, lower mileage cars in what I perceive to be the stronger colours : Guards, Speed, Zanzibar, whilst the really picky will want a rare Clubsport spec car. Hence cars such as mine :- original panel, but modified, black and non-Clubsport, will take longer to sell to the handful of individuals not seeking what are becoming unicorn spec cars.

On the plus side, I think there's market movement between private vendors and purchasers behind the scenes, albeit the cars are probably being sold for less.

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 3rd February 09:21

[ForzaGilles]

Slippydiff said:

Thanks It was a cracker for someone looking for a car to drive rather than polish. The GT3 was/is a niche product at the best of times. Many of the buyers are now collector/investor types and thus they're looking for non-modified, original panel, lower mileage cars in what I perceive to be the stronger colours : Guards, Speed, Zanzibar, whilst the really picky will want a rare Clubsport spec car. Hence cars such as mine :- original panel, but modified, black and non-Clubsport, will take longer to sell to the handful of individuals not seeking what are becoming unicorn spec cars.

On the plus side, I think there's market movement between private vendors and purchasers behind the scenes, albeit the cars are probably being sold for less.

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 3rd February 09:21

Yes, unfortunately it looks like most GT3 buyers are collectors/investors I've never understood how you can buy a car such as a GT3 and not want to drive it! Does not compute!

Did you have the Manthey mods done, or were they done by the previous owner?

[Cheburator mk2]

Alpinestars said:

Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.

The car is very well known on Pistonheads and a credit to its previous owner, who pedaled it very well at the Ring and Spa in years past. The Carbon Manthey wing, which the idiotic body shop left without the end plates was on the car before the shunt. The genuine Porsche Cup wheel was also fitted prior to the accident. The only real shame is that whoever did the work to put it back on the road has taken off the Gold BBS LMs and swapped them over for the boring 996.2 wheels. Could be an attempt to hide the identity of the car?

As for the actual damage - I was bidding on this car until it reached £35k. It sold for £39k. Porsche had quoted some crazy number to fix it, hence the insurance payout. As a matter of fact, the damage could be classified as almost superficial. New bumpers, new lights and a few other things. I came away with £20k repair estimate, Porsche quoted almost three times.

It is sad that the current seller has decided not to divulge the past. However, I have seen much worse 997s put back on the road. Given how good this car was prior to the shunt, I don't think over the long term it was such a bad buy (provided it was properly repaired).

[Alpinestars]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Alpinestars said:

Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.

The car is very well known on Pistonheads and a credit to its previous owner, who pedaled it very well at the Ring and Spa in years past. The Carbon Manthey wing, which the idiotic body shop left without the end plates was on the car before the shunt. The genuine Porsche Cup wheel was also fitted prior to the accident. The only real shame is that whoever did the work to put it back on the road has taken off the Gold BBS LMs and swapped them over for the boring 996.2 wheels. Could be an attempt to hide the identity of the car?

As for the actual damage - I was bidding on this car until it reached £35k. It sold for £39k. Porsche had quoted some crazy number to fix it, hence the insurance payout. As a matter of fact, the damage could be classified as almost superficial. New bumpers, new lights and a few other things. I came away with £20k repair estimate, Porsche quoted almost three times.

It is sad that the current seller has decided not to divulge the past. However, I have seen much worse 997s put back on the road. Given how good this car was prior to the shunt, I don't think over the long term it was such a bad buy (provided it was properly repaired).

Thanks for posting. It would probably have looked better with the BBS', but as you say, more distinct.

[stroller]

Another low mileage example appeared on the market at JZM

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...