996 GT3 FS

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LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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Alpinestars said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
Alpinestars said:
Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.
The car is very well known on Pistonheads and a credit to its previous owner, who pedaled it very well at the Ring and Spa in years past. The Carbon Manthey wing, which the idiotic body shop left without the end plates was on the car before the shunt. The genuine Porsche Cup wheel was also fitted prior to the accident. The only real shame is that whoever did the work to put it back on the road has taken off the Gold BBS LMs and swapped them over for the boring 996.2 wheels. Could be an attempt to hide the identity of the car?

As for the actual damage - I was bidding on this car until it reached £35k. It sold for £39k. Porsche had quoted some crazy number to fix it, hence the insurance payout. As a matter of fact, the damage could be classified as almost superficial. New bumpers, new lights and a few other things. I came away with £20k repair estimate, Porsche quoted almost three times.

It is sad that the current seller has decided not to divulge the past. However, I have seen much worse 997s put back on the road. Given how good this car was prior to the shunt, I don't think over the long term it was such a bad buy (provided it was properly repaired).
Thanks for posting. It would probably have looked better with the BBS', but as you say, more distinct.
LaS's old car? I was behind it on track when it went off (and closed the track) at TG, I wouldn't have called the damage superficial.

Is there some subterfuge about the history of the car? I mentioned on PH regarding the track day at the time, that it was a shame a red GT3 crashed and closed the track and quickly received an email asking me to delete the comment.

GT03ROB

13,207 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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stroller said:
Another low mileage example appeared on the market at JZM

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
yikes

Cheburator mk2

2,973 posts

198 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Alpinestars said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
Alpinestars said:
Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.
The car is very well known on Pistonheads and a credit to its previous owner, who pedaled it very well at the Ring and Spa in years past. The Carbon Manthey wing, which the idiotic body shop left without the end plates was on the car before the shunt. The genuine Porsche Cup wheel was also fitted prior to the accident. The only real shame is that whoever did the work to put it back on the road has taken off the Gold BBS LMs and swapped them over for the boring 996.2 wheels. Could be an attempt to hide the identity of the car?

As for the actual damage - I was bidding on this car until it reached £35k. It sold for £39k. Porsche had quoted some crazy number to fix it, hence the insurance payout. As a matter of fact, the damage could be classified as almost superficial. New bumpers, new lights and a few other things. I came away with £20k repair estimate, Porsche quoted almost three times.

It is sad that the current seller has decided not to divulge the past. However, I have seen much worse 997s put back on the road. Given how good this car was prior to the shunt, I don't think over the long term it was such a bad buy (provided it was properly repaired).
Thanks for posting. It would probably have looked better with the BBS', but as you say, more distinct.
LaS's old car? I was behind it on track when it went off (and closed the track) at TG, I wouldn't have called the damage superficial.

Is there some subterfuge about the history of the car? I mentioned on PH regarding the track day at the time, that it was a shame a red GT3 crashed and closed the track and quickly received an email asking me to delete the comment.
Have you ever done bodywork? Or repaired a crashed car? wink

The key is in the use of "almost" in front of superficial damage. I am aware that it possibly had a bend in the driver's rear chassis rail. In the grand scheme of things, two bumpers, headlights, rear lid and a little bit of jig work is still absolutely nothing compared to what a lot of "mint" 964RS and 996 GT3s that have been sold over the years went through.

As for any subterfuge? No idea - I spoke to Mr LaS when it appeared on Copart and he could not have been more helpful.

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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Cheburator mk2 said:
I spoke to Mr LaS when it appeared on Copart and he could not have been more helpful.
Insurance total loss, paid out. No reason to think he'd be anything but ?
The vendor/s however, now they may be being slightly less than transparent if their advert is anything to go by ....

ChrisW.

6,209 posts

254 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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This is why I enjoy buying cars privately.

Nobody knows more about their car than the enthusiast owner ... I want to sell my cars to people who will benefit from my experience and the money I've spent keeping them good ...

Sell ? Well, life is an experience not a museum.

I've sold more collectable cars than most, but I've learnt so much on the way ...

If only I had had the prescience to borrow the cost of my new cars and keep the old ones smile

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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Cheburator mk2 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Alpinestars said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
Alpinestars said:
Ouch. Possibly the reason for the bdisation.
The car is very well known on Pistonheads and a credit to its previous owner, who pedaled it very well at the Ring and Spa in years past. The Carbon Manthey wing, which the idiotic body shop left without the end plates was on the car before the shunt. The genuine Porsche Cup wheel was also fitted prior to the accident. The only real shame is that whoever did the work to put it back on the road has taken off the Gold BBS LMs and swapped them over for the boring 996.2 wheels. Could be an attempt to hide the identity of the car?

As for the actual damage - I was bidding on this car until it reached £35k. It sold for £39k. Porsche had quoted some crazy number to fix it, hence the insurance payout. As a matter of fact, the damage could be classified as almost superficial. New bumpers, new lights and a few other things. I came away with £20k repair estimate, Porsche quoted almost three times.

It is sad that the current seller has decided not to divulge the past. However, I have seen much worse 997s put back on the road. Given how good this car was prior to the shunt, I don't think over the long term it was such a bad buy (provided it was properly repaired).
Thanks for posting. It would probably have looked better with the BBS', but as you say, more distinct.
LaS's old car? I was behind it on track when it went off (and closed the track) at TG, I wouldn't have called the damage superficial.

Is there some subterfuge about the history of the car? I mentioned on PH regarding the track day at the time, that it was a shame a red GT3 crashed and closed the track and quickly received an email asking me to delete the comment.
Have you ever done bodywork? Or repaired a crashed car? wink
Unfortunately yes, though I'm not sure why that's important in the discussion? As for what was needed, changing a bumper and a spot welded panel I would agree would be superficial. Pulling parts of the chassis into shape on a jig I certainly wouldn't.

Ones (scrap)man's superficial is another's total loss however so I'm sure we can agree to disagree, we all have different ideas of what is acceptable after all thumbup

stroller

169 posts

204 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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stroller said:
Another low mileage example appeared on the market at JZM

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
SOLD already !!!

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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stroller said:
stroller said:
Another low mileage example appeared on the market at JZM

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
SOLD already !!!
Russ thinks demand for GT3s is pretty strong at the moment.

isaldiri

18,407 posts

167 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Alpinestars said:
Russ thinks demand for GT3s is pretty strong at the moment.
He would say that wouldn't he...? wink

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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isaldiri said:
Alpinestars said:
Russ thinks demand for GT3s is pretty strong at the moment.
He would say that wouldn't he...? wink
Yep, but it's borne out by that sale and others at JZM. He's usually pretty honest to be fair.

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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the mkt is unpredictable with 996 gt3.

always buy on condition.

Smi1er

94 posts

213 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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These are so hard to price at the moment and with so few around it is very difficult to decide on asking price. Pitch too high and you look greedy and pitch too low and everyone thinks there is something to hide. I can now see why so many people go SOR with these.

nigelonich

1,017 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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The red 996.2 GT3:

https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/27844046?searchId=655...

Wheels: They look slightly damaged and if you price a new set you'll see why its on standard rims!





Edited by nigelonich on Tuesday 21st February 09:05

Mitch911

227 posts

168 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Interesting that red one (at JZM) has sold so quickly. Collector car sells immediately, the more usable ones seem to hang around.

New owner on here? Congrats if so, a red, mk2 CS is pretty lovely

isaldiri

18,407 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Just wondering - rev range 1 on a 6gt3 isn't triggered by bouncing off the limiter right? So large numbers of them shouldn't be recorded or do I have it wrong...

arcticGT

977 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Range1 is the limiter on 996.

996.1 has a lower limit than 996.2 and I haven't seen any figures showing where range 2 starts on a 996.1.

Also bear in mind Manthey raise the limit on a K400 with no mechanical changes.

isaldiri

18,407 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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arcticGT said:
Range1 is the limiter on 996.

996.1 has a lower limit than 996.2 and I haven't seen any figures showing where range 2 starts on a 996.1.

Also bear in mind Manthey raise the limit on a K400 with no mechanical changes.
Ah ok good to know, thanks. Just being tempted by a car which has a heap of rr1 (20,000+) but zero rr2 so was wondering if rr1 was like the 7gt3 ie not a really ideal. If it's just recording limiter hits then all's good... scratchchin

arcticGT

977 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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20K not a lot really, think it stops recording at 65Kish. Mine is on 11K RR1 with 71K miles.

isaldiri

18,407 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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arcticGT said:
20K not a lot really, think it stops recording at 65Kish. Mine is on 11K RR1 with 71K miles.
the car I'm looking at has <20k miles! hehe

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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isaldiri said:
Ah ok good to know, thanks. Just being tempted by a car which has a heap of rr1 (20,000+) but zero rr2 so was wondering if rr1 was like the 7gt3 ie not a really ideal. If it's just recording limiter hits then all's good... scratchchin
20k in 1 and zero in 2 is fine. Mine has c12k in 1 and zero in 2.