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Tom 911V said:
Morning gents,
It was indeed the same car. We took a deposit on it mid last week and the buyer, for reasons unrelated to the car, decided to pull out of the purchase. We re-advertised it yesterday afternoon and it sold this morning following an email exchange over night.
Tom 911V
Tom, it's good that you take the time to provide quick accurate market information.It was indeed the same car. We took a deposit on it mid last week and the buyer, for reasons unrelated to the car, decided to pull out of the purchase. We re-advertised it yesterday afternoon and it sold this morning following an email exchange over night.
Tom 911V
Tom 911V said:
Morning gents,
It was indeed the same car. We took a deposit on it mid last week and the buyer, for reasons unrelated to the car, decided to pull out of the purchase. We re-advertised it yesterday afternoon and it sold this morning following an email exchange over night.
Tom 911V
Good to see silver beard chariots selling so swiftly.................It was indeed the same car. We took a deposit on it mid last week and the buyer, for reasons unrelated to the car, decided to pull out of the purchase. We re-advertised it yesterday afternoon and it sold this morning following an email exchange over night.
Tom 911V
Haha
Yes prices seem to be on the up, makes me wonder just what sort of offers would arrive if I put the rare Biarritz White Gt3 Mk1 Clubsport up for sale. Only one of this colour , and its mine 
But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
mike58 said:
Yes prices seem to be on the up, makes me wonder just what sort of offers would arrive if I put the rare Biarritz White Gt3 Mk1 Clubsport up for sale. Only one of this colour , and its mine
But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
This is the problem. I recently had someone make me an offer for my car which was £10k more than I paid for it just under 2 years ago but what do you replace it with for similar money?But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
I'd always aimed to upgrade to a 996RS but that's not going to happen now. I wouldn't sell for a 997.1 GT3 but would have a 997.2 Club Sport but you're talking considerably more money over the 996 and it wouldn't be THAT much more fun.
I'd love a supercharged atom at some point but in my opinion that's the sort of toy you have sat next to a GT3 in the garage
mike58 said:
Yes prices seem to be on the up, makes me wonder just what sort of offers would arrive if I put the rare Biarritz White Gt3 Mk1 Clubsport up for sale. Only one of this colour , and its mine
But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
Lovely in white !But what would you replace a 996 Mk1 Clubsport with ? Its true analog, Porsche quality and reliability, there is nothing in my opinion to touch it for driver satisfaction, the playstation cars don't and never will come close.
You can only add on top of a mk1 IMO (or any 96 GT3 for that matter). You can't replace it.
The 993 rs is totally different and the same goes for the 997 generation cars which are far more polished and aloof. Probably the closest distant cousin is the 3.8 RS but even then they are miles apart, as far enough to mean that you need the 996 AND the 3.8 RS. And forget about any italian mids from the 90's ... nothing gets close to the 96.
Keep working, keep saving and keep adding to the barn, its the only way.
Edited by jackal on Friday 10th October 09:32
ClarkPB said:
This is the problem. I recently had someone make me an offer for my car which was £10k more than I paid for it just under 2 years ago but what do you replace it with for similar money?
I'd always aimed to upgrade to a 996RS but that's not going to happen now. I wouldn't sell for a 997.1 GT3 but would have a 997.2 Club Sport but you're talking considerably more money over the 996 and it wouldn't be THAT much more fun.
I'd love a supercharged atom at some point but in my opinion that's the sort of toy you have sat next to a GT3 in the garage
Id go West to America and get a Viper ACR or new 2015 one, or the latest Corvette (all in yellow) for the current money we could get for 996's.I'd always aimed to upgrade to a 996RS but that's not going to happen now. I wouldn't sell for a 997.1 GT3 but would have a 997.2 Club Sport but you're talking considerably more money over the 996 and it wouldn't be THAT much more fun.
I'd love a supercharged atom at some point but in my opinion that's the sort of toy you have sat next to a GT3 in the garage
Thought there was another white 996'3 out there?
lemmingjames said:
Id go West to America and get a Viper ACR or new 2015 one, or the latest Corvette (all in yellow) for the current money we could get for 996's.
Thought there was another white 996'3 out there?
..would you use the Viper for the same purposes as a 996 GT3? Ie Sunday car, trips to ring, spa, Sillystone, Mugello, Imola, etc..Thought there was another white 996'3 out there?
The thing is you can have a Veyron....but unless you get to experience the further reaches of its performance envelope, the car is then really just for bragging rights.
jackal said:
Lovely in white !
You can only add on top of a mk1 IMO (or any 96 GT3 for that matter). You can't replace it.
The 993 rs is totally different and the same goes for the 997 generation cars which are far more polished and aloof. Probably the closest distant cousin is the 3.8 RS but even then they are miles apart, as far enough to mean that you need the 996 AND the 3.8 RS. And forget about any italian mids from the 90's ... nothing gets close to the 96.
Keep working, keep saving and keep adding to the barn, its the only way.
Yep agreed. I know its a question of affordability and priorities....however, if possible, I do think we are in a phase now where most owners are in the 'keep and add' category and not in the 'use and flip' category.You can only add on top of a mk1 IMO (or any 96 GT3 for that matter). You can't replace it.
The 993 rs is totally different and the same goes for the 997 generation cars which are far more polished and aloof. Probably the closest distant cousin is the 3.8 RS but even then they are miles apart, as far enough to mean that you need the 996 AND the 3.8 RS. And forget about any italian mids from the 90's ... nothing gets close to the 96.
Keep working, keep saving and keep adding to the barn, its the only way.
Edited by jackal on Friday 10th October 09:32
Hence we are seeing very few cars coming onto the market...and I suspect the trend will continue as more time most if not all cars move out of category 2 into category 1 above.
LaSource said:
Yep agreed. I know its a question of affordability and priorities....however, if possible, I do think we are in a phase now where most owners are in the 'keep and add' category and not in the 'use and flip' category.
Hence we are seeing very few cars coming onto the market...and I suspect the trend will continue as more time most if not all cars move out of category 2 into category 1 above.
This is true but it is a function of rising values. If the market rolls over and values start falling, many will question the financial wisdom of owning 2/3/4/5 depreciating assets. IMOHence we are seeing very few cars coming onto the market...and I suspect the trend will continue as more time most if not all cars move out of category 2 into category 1 above.
Edited by lboase on Friday 10th October 11:17
LaSource said:
..would you use the Viper for the same purposes as a 996 GT3? Ie Sunday car, trips to ring, spa, Sillystone, Mugello, Imola, etc..
Actually yes...My brother has one of the last Gen 2 Viper Roadsters or RT/10 to give its proper nomenclature. Granted, it has been updated with headers, decent shocks and 6-pot Alcons with 15" discs at the front. He has done plenty of trips to the South of France, Bay of Biscay and Germany in it. At the same time, you will need a Gen 2 RS to be in touching distance on track. The sheer grunt in any gear, coupled with a very good (if totally unforgiving) chasis, which generates immense grip on the right tyres (Kumho V70 mediums in 335 and 305) make for a great car. The newer cars are even better. It was very touch and go for me between a C6 Z06 and my Mk1 K400... The American sports car has come on massively in the last 15yrs. Vettes and Vipers are truly special in a way very similar to a GT3.
Ignore the rubbish sound...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWY__1uc-NM
Edited by Cheburator mk2 on Friday 10th October 11:21
lboase said:
LaSource said:
Yep agreed. I know its a question of affordability and priorities....however, if possible, I do think we are in a phase now where most owners are in the 'keep and add' category and not in the 'use and flip' category.
Hence we are seeing very few cars coming onto the market...and I suspect the trend will continue as more time most if not all cars move out of category 2 into category 1 above.
This is true but it is a function of rising values. If the market rolls over and values start falling, many will question the financial wisdom of owning 2/3/4/5 depreciating assets. IMOHence we are seeing very few cars coming onto the market...and I suspect the trend will continue as more time most if not all cars move out of category 2 into category 1 above.
Edited by lboase on Friday 10th October 11:17
For the last 4-5 years a 996 GT3 has always been a safe car to buy which has always been a component of its attraction away from the mechanical characteristics - no material depreciation and infact now values on the rise. The greater the rise, the greater the desire to hold.
Cheburator mk2 said:
LaSource said:
..would you use the Viper for the same purposes as a 996 GT3? Ie Sunday car, trips to ring, spa, Sillystone, Mugello, Imola, etc..
Actually yes...My brother has one of the last Gen 2 Viper Roadsters or RT/10 to give its proper nomenclature. Granted, it has been updated with headers, decent shocks and 6-pot Alcons with 15" discs at the front. He has done plenty of trips to the South of France, Bay of Biscay and Germany in it. At the same time, you will need a Gen 2 RS to be in touching distance on track. The sheer grunt in any gear, coupled with a very good (if totally unforgiving) chasis, which generates immense grip on the right tyres (Kumho V70 mediums in 335 and 305) make for a great car. The newer cars are even better. It was very touch and go for me between a C6 Z06 and my Mk1 K400... The American sports car has come on massively in the last 15yrs. Vettes and Vipers are truly special in a way very similar to a GT3.
Ignore the rubbish sound...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWY__1uc-NM
Edited by Cheburator mk2 on Friday 10th October 11:21
My impression is not based on actual experience with a Viper but more on the fact that I have never come across one at a track day! Perhaps it is just unknown to some of us in the UK.
Also, you need to factor in maintenance requirements, availability/cost of parts, and availability/cost of independent specialists. The 996 GT3 (granted it is no feather weight and heavier on consumables than a caterham say) is still easy enough to use on road and track and get good quality aftercare here in the UK/Europe.
(Will try to youtube clip later)
lboase said:
This is true but it is a function of rising values. If the market rolls over and values start falling, many will question the financial wisdom of owning 2/3/4/5 depreciating assets. IMO
I think certain Porsche models are safe in the current and foreseeable future market.Edited by lboase on Friday 10th October 11:17
Just been flicking through a classic car mag in the supermarket and read that the original 1972 2.7 RS has had an increase of 660% in the last 10 years. I think I read that the values for top cars had risen from 80k to 500k.
Somethings just are not affected by recession, I wish I had bought one of those instead of a house now.
LaSource said:
Cheburator mk2 said:
LaSource said:
..would you use the Viper for the same purposes as a 996 GT3? Ie Sunday car, trips to ring, spa, Sillystone, Mugello, Imola, etc..
Actually yes...My brother has one of the last Gen 2 Viper Roadsters or RT/10 to give its proper nomenclature. Granted, it has been updated with headers, decent shocks and 6-pot Alcons with 15" discs at the front. He has done plenty of trips to the South of France, Bay of Biscay and Germany in it. At the same time, you will need a Gen 2 RS to be in touching distance on track. The sheer grunt in any gear, coupled with a very good (if totally unforgiving) chasis, which generates immense grip on the right tyres (Kumho V70 mediums in 335 and 305) make for a great car. The newer cars are even better. It was very touch and go for me between a C6 Z06 and my Mk1 K400... The American sports car has come on massively in the last 15yrs. Vettes and Vipers are truly special in a way very similar to a GT3.
Ignore the rubbish sound...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWY__1uc-NM
Edited by Cheburator mk2 on Friday 10th October 11:21
My impression is not based on actual experience with a Viper but more on the fact that I have never come across one at a track day! Perhaps it is just unknown to some of us in the UK.
Also, you need to factor in maintenance requirements, availability/cost of parts, and availability/cost of independent specialists. The 996 GT3 (granted it is no feather weight and heavier on consumables than a caterham say) is still easy enough to use on road and track and get good quality aftercare here in the UK/Europe.
(Will try to youtube clip later)
lemmingjames said:
Just a shame on lhd only and the thirst
LHD not really an issue - I only wanted a LHD GT3 as this is how it was designed from the outset. Thirst is all relative - my brother averaged mid to low 20s on his escapades in Europe. Ok, driving it to the City from the West End he sees 9mpg, but I am pretty certain my K400 will not return much more in stop-start. Anyway, they are stunning cars and deserve their place amongst the automotive greats... Just like the 996 GT3... 
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