996 GT3 FS

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blackmamba

823 posts

237 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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Precisely this - I'm not for a moment suggesting that a K400 equipped car isn't a better car. Objectively it is better in many areas. I think GT3s are going the way of classic 911s where people (and therefore dealers) are willing to pay up for originality, provenance and history. The market for modified cars, no matter how well executed, gets smaller as the cars become more collectible.

It is not particularly rational, but it is true.


mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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porschegeoff said:
I agree but I think there are some dealers out there who only want cars as they left the factory even if the upgrades are reliable and add to the driving experience.
Of course they do, they can sell 'original' cars for more!

Pretty simple really!

Cheburator mk2

2,996 posts

200 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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blackmamba said:
Precisely this - I'm not for a moment suggesting that a K400 equipped car isn't a better car. Objectively it is better in many areas. I think GT3s are going the way of classic 911s where people (and therefore dealers) are willing to pay up for originality, provenance and history. The market for modified cars, no matter how well executed, gets smaller as the cars become more collectible.

It is not particularly rational, but it is true.
Ok, so where does that leave my car - Olaf Manthey as the first owner, Michael Eschmann - Olaf's partner in Manthey Racing at the time, a reasonably successful Le Mans competitor and also a VLN Team owner of late as the second owner. 2000 MY CS in LHD, first ever K400, 30k from new, Manthey serviced and run, list of improvement work on the car in my garage. Yes, heavily modified, but the provenance does not get better than this, surely?

The problem is really, even if I sell it, what am I going to get, which will be even remotely close to it for similar money???

blackmamba

823 posts

237 months

Monday 21st September 2015
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I think it sounds like a wonderful car and to the right buyer, a unique opportunity. For someone looking for a special car, that could be it.

I think there may be more buyers for a standard car though which will be reflected in the demand and possibly the price. I'm no expert and have no idea how one ought to price something like that other than compare to other K400 cars that have sold and even then yours sounds unique.

Any pictures?

lemmingjames

7,462 posts

205 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Is this anyone on here?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...



oh the 5k miler @ £95k has gone as well

siheb

149 posts

186 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Did I see that both the GT3s in the recent Silverstone Auction failed to meet reserve.

Anyone see them in the flesh and know if they were good cars or maybe had a story to tell?...

stroller

169 posts

206 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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If anyone is in the market for a very tidy 996.2 GT3 in red with nomex buckets and tequipment cage, I will be advertising mine imminently.
It was registered in late 2005 (55 plate - the only one I have seen). Currently on 58,500 miles with full Porsche / Parr service history.
Send me a pm for further details.

porschegeoff

213 posts

245 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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What's the market like for GT3's at the moment?

I noticed a hell of a lot of 996 GT3's for sale over the winter months at quite strong prices that weren't moving.

EGTE

996 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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I think youve just answered your own question....

anniesdad

14,589 posts

239 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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I'm no expert of 996 GT3 values as I lost £10k on mine, but I do think enthusiasts are holding off until there's an adjustment in prices downwards. The collectors may/may not see the investment potential in the non-RS cars I don't know, but in the cold light of day when you look at what you are getting for your money I don't believe a 996 GT3 (CS or non-CS) represents good value at £65-£70K.

My 2p worth.

Cheburator mk2

2,996 posts

200 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Bang on!

Recently I drove a friend's very nice low mileage 997.1 4S Cabrio. As a daily driver it made my 996.1 CS look stupid money at £70k vs the £35k that the 997 is worth. However in terms of smiles per mile, exclusivity, ability, motorsport heritage, rarity, longevity is it worth double the money of the 997 - absolutely!

LaSource

2,622 posts

209 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Fair point.
...Personally I believe they are stonking value at these price points compared to £100k GT4s, and the more expensive later variants (and earlier variants too!)
...I know I would say that as I own one, but that's why I own one....its bloody amazing biggrin

Dan911

2,648 posts

209 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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I'm in the market if the right car comes along.. I'll need to sell my Cayman R first though, which shouldn't be too hard, right colour, low miles, all the best options and it a manual.


Mustangs

102 posts

106 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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porschegeoff said:
What's the market like for GT3's at the moment?

I noticed a hell of a lot of 996 GT3's for sale over the winter months at quite strong prices that weren't moving.
100%. Was at JZM a month back and they said the 996 GT3 mkt had died a little although this time of year things may pick up a little. Im a fan and love the smaller dimensions compared to the newer cars but I think the GT4 has taken some 'market share' from the 996 GT3 at similar price points

doneitnow

663 posts

149 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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Dan911 said:
I'm in the market if the right car comes along.. I'll need to sell my Cayman R first though, which shouldn't be too hard, right colour, low miles, all the best options and it a manual.
What is the spec of your CR? wink

LaSource

2,622 posts

209 months

doneitnow

663 posts

149 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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LaSource said:
I can't see where it shows the spec of his CR!

Harris_I

3,228 posts

260 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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LaSource said:
"At the unveiling of the 911 R at Geneva earlier in the year it was interesting talking to Porsche GT boss Andreas Preuninger and hearing him acknowledge the car was built to tempt those disillusioned with recent 911s back into the dealerships."

Oh please. Tempt them back? And say what? Sorry, no more R, have a turbo cab instead?

Every time I read Preuninger's latest guru-like pronouncement, it gets my back up.

LaSource

2,622 posts

209 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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doneitnow said:
I can't see where it shows the spec of his CR!
It's all there. Keep looking smile

SET3

127 posts

133 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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Cheburator mk2 said:
anonymous said:
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Bang on!

Recently I drove a friend's very nice low mileage 997.1 4S Cabrio. As a daily driver it made my 996.1 CS look stupid money at £70k vs the £35k that the 997 is worth. However in terms of smiles per mile, exclusivity, ability, motorsport heritage, rarity, longevity is it worth double the money of the 997 - absolutely!
I agree completely, one cracking car at these current prices, compared to any format of RS or some of the crazy priced air cooled cars 993 4s I think the 996gt3 is generally cracking as an all rounder. Not too big and nimble enough to drive properly. I would say this, I absolutely love mine! However I would take a 6RS if someone wants to give me one ? smile

Edited by SET3 on Tuesday 19th April 22:10