996 c4s is this best value Porsche out there right now
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..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
This one is an absolute cracker. Mint condition and sounds amazing.
Have known the car for the last few years and the owner has total OCD about it!!
This one is an absolute cracker. Mint condition and sounds amazing.
Have known the car for the last few years and the owner has total OCD about it!!
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
It's so true I love em,how bloody fast do you need it to go and besides when a car looks this good you wanna go to fast.One of the most sexy 911s ever in my opinion.. My seal grey one is amazing really the guy who services it reakons one of best examples he's seen.Turbo faster but that's it economy and looks kicks it's butt and there cheaper to buy to start with,that's without mentioning the sound of the thing wiith a sports exhaust..classBought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
ktlcyprus said:
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
It's so true I love em,how bloody fast do you need it to go and besides when a car looks this good you wanna go to fast.One of the most sexy 911s ever in my opinion.. My seal grey one is amazing really the guy who services it reakons one of best examples he's seen.Turbo faster but that's it economy and looks kicks it's butt and there cheaper to buy to start with,that's without mentioning the sound of the thing wiith a sports exhaust..classBought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
Tino Lazarou said:
Yeah but I tidy turbo is a fair amount more to buy and also in terms of running costs the turbo costs more to service and maintain with generally..I do like the Turbo but not enough to swap as looks wise think is slightly uglier,albeit the faster on paper.. The n/a engine makes it a better daily I think also as you can rack on miles would not fancy a near 100k turbo.. Good shout though
The turbo has the far more reliable engine than the n/a and non GT 911's.I'm quite sure they're not THAT much more service wise either.
And plenty of 100k turbo's floating about
And a turbo with low end grunt is great for a daily driver, especially with the AWD.
And the 996 turbo looks almost identical bar the rear spoiler and vents in the rear arches.
Both great cars
johnycarrera said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
This one is an absolute cracker. Mint condition and sounds amazing.
Have known the car for the last few years and the owner has total OCD about it!!
That looks like a great buy for someone and expect it will sell pretty quick.This one is an absolute cracker. Mint condition and sounds amazing.
Have known the car for the last few years and the owner has total OCD about it!!
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
Not sure about bugger all depreciation...Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
When you go to trade your 04 C4S dealers will bid you £15K if you are lucky.
Thread is about best value... not best looking.
Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Riyazc said:
Thread is about best value... not best looking.
Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
By your own man maths how the hell can a Turbo be the best value? A £100k car for a quarter of its original value @ £25k OR a C2 for £12k or approx 1/5th of it's original value. Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Or am I missing something?
LordHaveMurci said:
Riyazc said:
Thread is about best value... not best looking.
Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
By your own man maths how the hell can a Turbo be the best value? A £100k car for a quarter of its original value @ £25k OR a C2 for £12k or approx 1/5th of it's original value. Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Or am I missing something?
Value is a measure of what you get for your money and, although a used turbo is more expensive (and remains a higher percentage of its original value than a carrera), I too think that it is better value.
A used fiesta of the same vintage is (1) cheaper and (2) probably an eighth(?) of its original price. I don't think that makes it better value.
Riyazc said:
Thread is about best value... not best looking.
Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Value will be different for everyone and depends what ticks your boxes.Looks wise... i think the C4S is gorgeous in 996 guise, so much so i wanted to buy one.
BUT! value wise.... has to be the 996 turbo. £100k+ cars for £25k, sub 4 secs to 60 and yet docile to drive around town, hence i bought one of those instead.
Looking at various reviews etc all seem to indicate with the economy picking up people are goign to realise what a bargain these are and prices will rise, so may not be the best value for much longer.
Plus owning a 911 turbo was on my bucket list
Figures what captures the headlines with the turbo, many want it without actually driven one. I don't enjoy turbos delivery, and understand why so many are tuned. However now that you can't add Porsche warranty probably wouldn't want a 996 C4S either.
river_rat said:
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
Not sure about bugger all depreciation...Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
When you go to trade your 04 C4S dealers will bid you £15K if you are lucky.
..Depreciation is next to bugger all as far as I'm concerned, a couple of £K a year, compared to that of a newer car losing £10K a year, or £20K in the first year. It worries me not.., I bought it to drive everyday, which it's ideal for, not the quickest 1 I've owned by far, but I thoroughly recommend them as a great bang for your buck all rounder daily driver.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st July 22:33
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Depreciation is next to bugger as far as I'm concerned, a couple of £K a year, compared to that of a newer car losing £10K a year, or £20K in the first year. It worries me not.., I bought it to drive everyday, which it's ideal for. I thoroughly recommend them as a great bang for your buck all rounder.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
Glad you said that iv had enough of people making out if you buy a turbo there bomb proof and ultra reliable..it's rubbish the more expensive a car to begin the bigger it's repAir bills..Some1 talking a bit of sense..If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Depreciation is next to bugger as far as I'm concerned, a couple of £K a year, compared to that of a newer car losing £10K a year, or £20K in the first year. It worries me not.., I bought it to drive everyday, which it's ideal for. I thoroughly recommend them as a great bang for your buck all rounder.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
Glad you said that iv had enough of people making out if you buy a turbo there bomb proof and ultra reliable..it's rubbish the more expensive a car to begin the bigger it's repAir bills..Some1 talking a bit of sense..If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
RatBoy M3CSL said:
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
I would be shocked to get a bill that big had I purchased with open eyes and a half decent inspection!Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st July 22:33
Rads - you can see quite easily if this is going to be an issue.
MAF and coil packs - cause misfires... why would you buy if these items are causing a poor running car?
Boost leaks - drive more than a couple and you will spot a car with a boost leak quickly... do the 996's have boost gauges? if so, you can see here. And a split hose is hardly thousands.
Clutch - how is this any more difficult to spot than on a C4S? They share the same AWD system in 996 guise no? (Someone will correct me if so)..... Not to mention the majority are tip...
Beware those that try to convince you that these cars cost many times over to run vs. the non turbo cars.. this is just not true... Yes, there are potential for bigger bills, but this is in the event of major failure... they don't cost THAT much more to run than the non turbo cars unless a major part fails.
Do your research, use the forums, get an inspection and you won't end up with a first service any more costly than the actual service!
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