996 c4s is this best value Porsche out there right now
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LordHaveMurci said:
ktlcyprus said:
Gotta b one of best value Porsches though totally agree.
And that is the title of the thread, not 'the C4S is the best looking'. Mario149 said:
My 2p:
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
Mario149 said:
My 2p:
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
No way a pre face lift one,come on..If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
ktlcyprus said:
Mario149 said:
My 2p:
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
No way a pre face lift one,come on..If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
monthefish said:
ktlcyprus said:
ktlcyprus said:
Mario149 said:
My 2p:
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
No way a pre face lift one,come on..If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
t ...Mario149 said:
ktlcyprus said:
monthefish said:
ktlcyprus said:
ktlcyprus said:
Mario149 said:
My 2p:
If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
No way a pre face lift one,come on..If you value looks a lot, 6C4S is probably the best value
If you value driving/performance, a plain jane (as a prev poster put it) 6C2 is the way to go.
Looks and performance combined? I'd throw in a 6C2 with the GT3 aero kit - the pre face lift cars especially look awesome with it IMO. My mate has one, probably worth say £12k on a good day with its 90k miles, drives beautifully, looks fab and with a €400 Carnewal exhaust, also sounds the dogs danglies. If he ever chops it in for a DB9 like he's threatening to do, I'm tempted to have it off him on principle!
t ...RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
It's so true I love em,how bloody fast do you need it to go and besides when a car looks this good you wanna go to fast.One of the most sexy 911s ever in my opinion.. My seal grey one is amazing really the guy who services it reakons one of best examples he's seen.Turbo faster but that's it economy and looks kicks it's butt and there cheaper to buy to start with,that's without mentioning the sound of the thing wiith a sports exhaust..classBought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
ktlcyprus said:
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Have you tried to find a nice 4S recently..?, there aren't many out there for sale, specially in Seal Grey.. and the prices have firmed up significantly as with a lot of the older stuff..
Bought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
It's so true I love em,how bloody fast do you need it to go and besides when a car looks this good you wanna go to fast.One of the most sexy 911s ever in my opinion.. My seal grey one is amazing really the guy who services it reakons one of best examples he's seen.Turbo faster but that's it economy and looks kicks it's butt and there cheaper to buy to start with,that's without mentioning the sound of the thing wiith a sports exhaust..classBought my 4S in April '11, expecting to change it in 12 months, and here I am 39 months later still enjoying it, they really are a go anywhere use every day car which is exactly why I bought it, nice but not too nice to leave in car parks, go shopping, leave outside the pub etc..
My recent coast runs are returning 29/30 mpg cruise on @ 80mph, still £280 to tax as it's pre March 2006. Is a turbo a better car is entirely subjective, faster yes, but the 4S isn't exactly slow once you get it up in the revs, it's just fine, and it sounds lovely too..
Depreciation is bugger all, I paid £25 for mine 3+ yrs ago, and the dealers are asking £22/23 today for an 04 car..
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Depreciation is next to bugger as far as I'm concerned, a couple of £K a year, compared to that of a newer car losing £10K a year, or £20K in the first year. It worries me not.., I bought it to drive everyday, which it's ideal for. I thoroughly recommend them as a great bang for your buck all rounder.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
Glad you said that iv had enough of people making out if you buy a turbo there bomb proof and ultra reliable..it's rubbish the more expensive a car to begin the bigger it's repAir bills..Some1 talking a bit of sense..If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Depreciation is next to bugger as far as I'm concerned, a couple of £K a year, compared to that of a newer car losing £10K a year, or £20K in the first year. It worries me not.., I bought it to drive everyday, which it's ideal for. I thoroughly recommend them as a great bang for your buck all rounder.
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
Glad you said that iv had enough of people making out if you buy a turbo there bomb proof and ultra reliable..it's rubbish the more expensive a car to begin the bigger it's repAir bills..Some1 talking a bit of sense..If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
vinnie83 said:
RatBoy M3CSL said:
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
I would be shocked to get a bill that big had I purchased with open eyes and a half decent inspection!Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st July 22:33
Rads - you can see quite easily if this is going to be an issue.
MAF and coil packs - cause misfires... why would you buy if these items are causing a poor running car?
Boost leaks - drive more than a couple and you will spot a car with a boost leak quickly... do the 996's have boost gauges? if so, you can see here. And a split hose is hardly thousands.
Clutch - how is this any more difficult to spot than on a C4S? They share the same AWD system in 996 guise no? (Someone will correct me if so)..... Not to mention the majority are tip...
Beware those that try to convince you that these cars cost many times over to run vs. the non turbo cars.. this is just not true... Yes, there are potential for bigger bills, but this is in the event of major failure... they don't cost THAT much more to run than the non turbo cars unless a major part fails.
Do your research, use the forums, get an inspection and you won't end up with a first service any more costly than the actual service!
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
monthefish said:
mollytherocker said:
ktlcyprus said:
Oh yeah and a 996 turbo in auto is even less point as the gap is even smaller in performance as it loses half a second..
Eh? You can get a Carrera auto too.
The turbo is the only 996 tiptronic I would consider as it has the power/torque to overcome the gearboxes shortcomings.
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
NJH said:
100% agreed on that. We had a 968 with a tip box and it kills it as a sports car compared to the sweet 6 speed manual. The big engined mercs also manage OK due to the massive grunt from those engines.
It's so true people on here going on about stats and zero to sixty times etc and they buy an auto..In the real world not when your down pub chatting with mates an auto is poo,fair enough PDK that's different but the older cars lose all the fun.Ivinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
I don't see any turbo owners on here, let alone me, talking about RMS and IMS issues!
You clearly have a chip on your shoulder chap, I simply said the turbo isn't as costly as people make out - I never put your car down - in fact I said the C4s is a great car.
What exactly is your problem? Calm down chap, nobody here is trying to say there's anything wrong with your car nor is there any reason to throw insults.
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