Wanna make £££ Get yourself a 996 Turbo
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Yes agreed they will rise. They are a bargain presently and far batter as a car than say a 993 turbo. Not saying they will rise to 993 turbo levels tho.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
FeelingLucky said:
How can 996t increse in value when the better in every way 997t can be had for just a few small £k more?
The 996 turbo X50 manual is the best Porsche 911 turbo ever produced according to a lot of respected journalists:http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=1&a...
marky911 said:
That's about the jist of it, coupled with that point made above about the sterile drive.
Aircooled stuff and GT3s offer the involvement and feel. 996TT sacrificed that to be everyday safe and useable.
No they didn't. Aircooled stuff and GT3s offer the involvement and feel. 996TT sacrificed that to be everyday safe and useable.
It may not be as focussed/alert as GT3, but a GT3 isn't as focussed/alert as a GT3RS, and the GT3RS isn't as focussed/alert as a Caterham or an Atom. It's all relative, but the fact is the 996 turbo is a more involving drive than 99% of the other cars on the road, and every time I got back in mine after driving anything else, it never failed to impress what a great handling car it was.
The point is the Carrera, Turbo, GT3 and GT3RS are fundamentally the same car, with most of the car's components made of the same materials located exactly the same place, with broadly the same suspension geometry. Of course 4wd transmissions, weight savings, different dampers etc will make step changes to the car, but as much as the GT3 fanbois would have you believe, they are not completely different cars, and it isn't like black magic makes it a completely different car. More focussed certainly, and a better track prospect, definitely, but saying a 996 turbo is sterile or an uninvolving drive, is absolute rubbish.
markcoznottz said:
Sexual Chocolate said:
Super car performance for the same price as a boggo BMW 320D. Bargain!
Yes but about as interesting to drive as watching paint dry. Sorry guys, and that's coming from an owner. It's love hate with me, I think the car has prescence and it will make non car people in your family think you have won the lottery, but if it's entertainment you are after, then it's potentially an expensive ownership experience just for soulless warp speed. I know a few who have not go on with the 996 Turbo, and most of those have chopped it in for a Caterham or a GT3, and that's fine. They wanted something more focussed, but "soulless warp speed"? b
ks.As I've said many time, the 996t's 'problem' (if you can call it that) is that it's epic performance overshadows what a good handling car it is, and the 'haters' just don't like to accept it can do both performance and handling.
...and getting back on topic, it'll be interesting to see what happens to 996t prices in the future.
The fact is, mine didn't really depreciate in 2 years / 10k miles ownership, and I haven't seen prices drop in the year or so since. Prices are stable at the moment.
Each generation of 911 gets more user friendly, and with it an increased desire for the older ('purer') models, and the 996 certainly has its place in this progression, particularly with it's non-electric steering, and so it's not inconceivable that, in 20 years time, a 996t could be worth more than a 991t.
The fact is, mine didn't really depreciate in 2 years / 10k miles ownership, and I haven't seen prices drop in the year or so since. Prices are stable at the moment.
Each generation of 911 gets more user friendly, and with it an increased desire for the older ('purer') models, and the 996 certainly has its place in this progression, particularly with it's non-electric steering, and so it's not inconceivable that, in 20 years time, a 996t could be worth more than a 991t.
I think it is 5 or 6 years since the first magazine articles came out for the bargain of the century, buy now before prices start to rise etc. Certainly for the 3 following years prices continued to drop but I think for the past 3 they have remained pretty stable. My prediction is that this will remain for the next 3 years as the market sorts out the wheat from the chaff and the bargains that any Joe could buy have gone to scrap as any old Joe cannot afford to run one. Then they will rise, for me it was my pin up car, it was the first watercooled 911, it was the first everyday supercar, it was the first turbo to not bite for beginners and I like the look of it - above all it's a turbo and that comes with history.
Bought mine,(bashalt black with Black interior), 3 & 1/2 years ago with 34k on the clock for £32k. 2003 model.
It's now got 53k on the clock and still in really good nick.
Don't know what I'd get for it now, (£25k - £26k in a private sale?), but I do know that I'm losing a damn sight less in depreciation on the Turbo than I did on my two previous cars, a 996 C2 and a BMW 325i sport, both which I lost 50% of the value in my 4 years of ownership!
The 996 turbo is a fantastic value for money car with super car performance. Only thing I'd consider swapping it for would be a GT3 but there are very few about and most of them are now out of reach financially.
How anyone can describe the 996 turbo as sterile/boring to drive with such brutal acceleration is completely beyond me!
It's now got 53k on the clock and still in really good nick.
Don't know what I'd get for it now, (£25k - £26k in a private sale?), but I do know that I'm losing a damn sight less in depreciation on the Turbo than I did on my two previous cars, a 996 C2 and a BMW 325i sport, both which I lost 50% of the value in my 4 years of ownership!
The 996 turbo is a fantastic value for money car with super car performance. Only thing I'd consider swapping it for would be a GT3 but there are very few about and most of them are now out of reach financially.
How anyone can describe the 996 turbo as sterile/boring to drive with such brutal acceleration is completely beyond me!
Edited by stubbsy996 on Thursday 17th July 13:06
X50Black said:
Yes agreed they will rise. They are a bargain presently and far batter as a car than say a 993 turbo. Not saying they will rise to 993 turbo levels tho.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
X50Black said:
FeelingLucky said:
How can 996t increse in value when the better in every way 997t can be had for just a few small £k more?
The 996 turbo X50 manual is the best Porsche 911 turbo ever produced according to a lot of respected journalists:http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=1&a...
monthefish said:
As I've said many time, the 996t's 'problem' (if you can call it that) is that it's epic performance overshadows what a good handling car it is, and the 'haters' just don't like to accept it can do both performance and handling.
spot on sir, goes for 997.1 turbo too, which I got as I prefer the looks. And of course is more "sterile" because it is a few years younger 
monthefish said:
marky911 said:
That's about the jist of it, coupled with that point made above about the sterile drive.
Aircooled stuff and GT3s offer the involvement and feel. 996TT sacrificed that to be everyday safe and useable.
No they didn't. Aircooled stuff and GT3s offer the involvement and feel. 996TT sacrificed that to be everyday safe and useable.
It may not be as focussed/alert as GT3, but a GT3 isn't as focussed/alert as a GT3RS, and the GT3RS isn't as focussed/alert as a Caterham or an Atom. It's all relative, but the fact is the 996 turbo is a more involving drive than 99% of the other cars on the road, and every time I got back in mine after driving anything else, it never failed to impress what a great handling car it was.
The point is the Carrera, Turbo, GT3 and GT3RS are fundamentally the same car, with most of the car's components made of the same materials located exactly the same place, with broadly the same suspension geometry. Of course 4wd transmissions, weight savings, different dampers etc will make step changes to the car, but as much as the GT3 fanbois would have you believe, they are not completely different cars, and it isn't like black magic makes it a completely different car. More focussed certainly, and a better track prospect, definitely, but saying a 996 turbo is sterile or an uninvolving drive, is absolute rubbish.
markcoznottz said:
Sexual Chocolate said:
Super car performance for the same price as a boggo BMW 320D. Bargain!
Yes but about as interesting to drive as watching paint dry. Sorry guys, and that's coming from an owner. It's love hate with me, I think the car has prescence and it will make non car people in your family think you have won the lottery, but if it's entertainment you are after, then it's potentially an expensive ownership experience just for soulless warp speed. I know a few who have not go on with the 996 Turbo, and most of those have chopped it in for a Caterham or a GT3, and that's fine. They wanted something more focussed, but "soulless warp speed"? b
ks.As I've said many time, the 996t's 'problem' (if you can call it that) is that it's epic performance overshadows what a good handling car it is, and the 'haters' just don't like to accept it can do both performance and handling.
Adam B said:
X50Black said:
Yes agreed they will rise. They are a bargain presently and far batter as a car than say a 993 turbo. Not saying they will rise to 993 turbo levels tho.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
But especially so for the rarer unmolested low mileage X50 examples (1287 examples for the whole world and only around 10% RHD I believe). Manual X50 even more so.
X50Black said:
FeelingLucky said:
How can 996t increse in value when the better in every way 997t can be had for just a few small £k more?
The 996 turbo X50 manual is the best Porsche 911 turbo ever produced according to a lot of respected journalists:http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=1&a...
On my 3rd 6T bloody love it!
Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
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